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S04E07: Haunted Island Ruins; Moroccan Succubus

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8:41 am
October 21, 2010


Nosfer

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Just from the title it looks like we've got another ghost investigation. Oh and it's on an island. And that island is in Micronesia. And have we seen them in Micronesia before? Why yes we have with the Ghost Fleet investigation. How much you wanna bet we still get told that they fly directly there and back to Los Angeles, though…specifically for this investigation. Do they really think the viewers buy into that? Sadly, most of them probably do.

I suspect same old same old for the first part, more chasing things that may or may not be figments of imagination. Hopefully not as much falling down (Josh really needs to get his inner ear checked) and hopefully they don't visit the TAPS offices afterward, but rather go and get answers from some real experts…here at SV!

Then it's off to Morocco to look for the Succubus. Should be a rather interesting episode. Morocco has some nice ruins and I don't recall if, other than Egypt, the team has been to North Africa. I wonder if they hopped down there after Naples/Pompeii? Hopefully this means they checked out a few other things while in the region and we'll see them in later episodes.

The Succubus is a female demon which takes the form of beautiful woman to seduce men in their sleep. Interesting that they would chose the succubus over the incubus (the male version) but that probably wouldn't have as much allure.

Tonight's episode is brought to you by the good people at Gyppo's Tire and Vehicle Repair…Gyppo's…in business only because of DT.

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9:59 am
October 21, 2010


Patrick

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"The Succubus is a female demon which takes the form of beautiful woman to seduce men in their sleep."

They don't have to go to Morocco for that, just come to Louisville and investigate my wife…..  :)

12:21 pm
October 21, 2010


Nosfer

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I'm putting up a "Stay on the Road" sign here lest this episode cause things to get out of hand.

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1:03 pm
October 21, 2010


blinddog

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Gyppo has the dt's? Who'da thunk?

Does this mean that Josh is going to sleep through the investigation?

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

1:52 pm
October 21, 2010


Ghaleon

Hazard, KY

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Why Nosfer I can't believe that you would say that Jason and Grant are not experts! Blasphemy! Tongue out

I got a feeling we are in for 2 more vehicles problems, at least 2 to 3 falls to set up a commercial. I am going to go out on a limb here and predict that they see some sort of ball of light they cannot explain (that seems to be a pretty popular thing these days, all the cool kids must be doing it).

I could see them asking around for the local lore on the succubus, but how are these guys supposed to set up cameras and stuff to catch evidence of something like that? Have one of the guys sleep while the rest huddle around a laptop and watch him?

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

1:55 pm
October 21, 2010


Nosfer

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Well, the creature has to have a lair somewhere…I think they are going to need some sort of bait, though, unless there are local legends as to where the creatures hang out during the daytime hours.

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12:19 am
October 22, 2010


Revenant

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Nosfer said: "Well, the creature has to have a lair somewhere…I think they are going to need some sort of bait, though, unless there are local legends as to where the creatures hang out during the daytime hours."

I have to admit, this threw me a bit.  I've read a great deal about the succubi and demons in general.  I like to flex my demonology muscles every now and then (Tongue out).  And no matter what book I was reading or website that I was looking over, I always considered the succubus…well…a demon.  A ghost in a way.  At the very least…ethereal. 

I never considered it as a biological entity.  It never needed a lair.  Well…maybe Hell.  Very curious.

So as they explained it, I felt they were describing a Harpy.  And not even the traditional, but the modern version.  Here's a fun look at a modern harpy:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Harpy

In gaming and modern movies, a Harpy is a physical being, has a lair, and is very dangerous.  And as you can tell from the picture…they have a very succubus-beauty thing going on.  And for the record, the Succubus is also in Warcraft.  They are summoned, help you, and then you dismiss them.  So…kind of ghost like.

In any event, I found it interesting how the local culture there sort of combined these two things.  Then again, maybe it makes sense.  Combine the screeching of the owl, the flapping sound from the bats, and throw in being in the desert for a long, long, long time with no women around…sure…a succubus/harpy type thing might be "seen or heard."

Lastly…I feel bad for anyone who decided to play a drinking game during that episode and had to drink every time that they said the word "casbah."  I think they said it maybe 4983 times.  That's…a lot of drinks…

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

6:29 am
October 22, 2010


Nosfer

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I'll just say that the term "Succubus" appears to have been very loosely applied or even misapplied in this case. In fact, a search for the Aisha name and a search for the Aisha name with the word Succubus added brings up two very different numbers, the latter being about 1% the original total or less, and a good chunk of those are in reference to DT.

Sound of Chains. There were Dogs. Ummm, anyone want to do the 2+2 here?

The first part of the episode on the Island…Josh losing it. You don't suppose that great mixture he drank with the chief kinda just sorta backed up on him do you? ie, something completely natural…normal…nonparanormal…

I think that the Harpies of Greek Mythology were pretty much physical beings as well…the beauty aspect, though. No, I don't recall that from the myths! Course, I didn't see a lot of beauty in that creature they rendered at the beginning of the episode, either.

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1:28 pm
October 22, 2010


Ghaleon

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I, like Revenant, was also curious of how this investigation would go because I have always read the Succubus to be an etheral entity that in some cases can be visible but at other times transparent. What the locals described did sound like a harpy to a point. Some media such as God Of War kind of skewers what we think of the Harpy by making them grotesque and just plain ugly. But. like Revenant pointed out, in other formats it is a thing of beauty that is very deadly. I think its a stretch for this case to be called the seach for the "succubus" since it shows way to many phyiscal characteristics such as having a lair, etc. to be a succubus.

I taped the episode but have not watched it yet. I'll give it try and come back and add some more.

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

1:43 pm
October 22, 2010


Nosfer

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Ghaleon said:

Some media such as God Of War kind of skewers what we think of the Harpy by making them grotesque and just plain ugly. But. like Revenant pointed out, in other formats it is a thing of beauty that is very deadly.


You should probably go all the way back to the origins. God of War (I will confess to ignorance on that…a game?) is quite right. The Harpyiae were NOT things of beauty. Quite the opposite, in fact.

From my Lempriere's from 1788:

Winged monsters, who were represented as having the face of a woman, and the body of a vulture, and with their feet and fingers armed with sharp claws. They were three in number, Aello, Ocypete, and Celaeno, and were the daughters of Neptune and Terra, or, according to others, of Thaumas and Electra. They were sent by Juno to plunder the tables of Phineus, whence they were driven to the islands called Stophades by Zethes and Calais. They emitted an infectious smell, and spoiled whatever they touched by their filth and excrements. They plundered Aeneas during his voyage towards Italy, and predicted many of the calamities which attended him.

The Aeneid talks also of them, as do some Greek myths where they are described as ugly, hideous, monsters, etc.

Hadn't read the wowwiki before. If you strip out the stuff about elves etc and the places obviously thrown in for the game, the essence remaining is not too far off from the Classical "Harpy" A bit modernized, as Rev says, but still holding some of the traditional qualities.

Or from Dante (flows much more elegantly in the original):

Quivi le brutte Arpie lor nidi fanno,
che cacciar de la Strofade i Troiani
con tristo annunzio de futuro danno

Fortunately 13th century Italian is not too difficult to translate :) so:

Here the ugly Harpies their nests make,
Who chased from the Strophades the Trojans
With wicked announcements of future damnation.

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4:04 pm
October 22, 2010


carrie mitten

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I've never posted anything in my life, so this might not make it to the masses, but here goes. After a ten year hiatus from TV (no really, no TV at all, just watched movies for ten years.  There's a big beautiful world out there, you know) I finally broke down and purchased a TV type package.  I have always liked ghostly stuff, so of course I immediately gravitated to the G.A., G.H, D.T. etc genre of shows and at first I was WOW cool!  but very quickly my enthusiasm dimmed when I was able to debunk so much of the foolishness in my own ameturish way.  I decided to google skeptics and THERE YOU ALL WERE! And now, because of reading this website for hours on end (at work cause who wants to actually work?) I am convinced that there is no such thing as ghosts.  I have had what I thought were experiences, but I know that they were just my imagination.  thanks for being out there.

BTW isn't the Micronesia episode of DT where Josh barfs all over?  Very nice pally;  maybe some extra water in the humid jungle would be in order?  That's why you felt so sick. 

Thanks for listening.

4:15 pm
October 22, 2010


Nosfer

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Welcome to the site Carrie. I, myself, won't totally rule out the possibility of their existence, but I would say that the possibility that their existence is going to be proven by any of these groups on TV is down there pretty low. Ratings run the television business, and excitement and drama make for good ratings; thus facts and science are often casualties.

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4:24 pm
October 22, 2010


carrie mitten

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Thanks Nosfer;  I suppose I shouldn't dismiss any and all phenomenom simply because these programs are geared to fifth graders.  TV is not a predilection of any kind of truth.  Besides, That's entertainment!  I do appreciate the work all of you put in to analyzing each program.  I don't even really watch the shows much anymore, I just go on the forum and catch up.  I did happen to catch this latest Destination Truth.  That is the one show I can watch in it's entirety, but watching Josh ralphing was not something I wish to see repeated   EVER.

5:51 pm
October 22, 2010


Leslie

Investigator

posts 157

Hello Carrie, and welcome to the site. I agree with you about Josh puking. That was just rediculous! I really did not need to see him doing that!!  I guess since the investigation didn't result in any good evidence or exciting events,  they had to fill the time with puke.Smile

6:57 am
October 26, 2010


carrie mitten

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LOL thanks for the laugh Leslie!  I do have to say the D.T. seem a little more, well, if not legitamete, but perhaps more sincere?  I wonder why that is? 

8:08 am
October 26, 2010


Nosfer

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There have been some "odd" things that they have done that have raised eyebrows (relying on J&G as experts is one of them lol) I think part of what you feel might come from the fact that they have yet, to my knowledge, declared a place haunted (to use a GH analogy) What I mean is that they have explained a few creatures as normal, or as tourist attractions, and the others, they come out and say they don't know. I appreciate that in them, although at the same time we've seen some things that just "aren't right" too.

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9:05 am
October 26, 2010


carrie mitten

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Hi Nosfer;  I think that you are correct in that the reason they seem fairly sincere is that they don't ever really say a place is haunted unless they have the proverbial smoking gun available for evidence.  They haven't done so, at least from the shows I've watched.

Using Grant and Jay definitely brought them down a few notches in my respect for their investigations, but hey, the entertainment factor will always be there. And the locations are truly fabulous.

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