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7:06 am September 9, 2010
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I can't keep track of these flippin' seasons anymore. The Masada one listed below as S04E01 was apparently a mid-season premiere and the new season 4 actually starts tonight, although GH which just started again a few weeks ago was a mid-season premiere so who knows anymore…does it really matter? Well, until told otherwise, I'm calling this Season 4 Episode 1. :)
Poltergeists of Pompeii. This should be an interesting one for a few reasons. One is that I've scrambled all over those ruins (and some in a few places not very frequented) so this will interesting on a personal level. Also, we've had much discussion about the expiration dates of ghosts and this is one of the older sites visited by this ilk of show.
Vesuvio has popped its cork many times throughout history but the one most people will think of when they hear the name is the event of 79AD which had devastating effects for the city of Pompeii and even more so for the lesser known enclave at Herculaneum. The destruction was utter and the cities abandoned.
If terror and carnage were prerequisites for a haunting there is a good chance of activity, but no where has that been proven so we'll have to see.
The Nandi Beast. Often called the Nandi Bear (although that doesn't quite have the ring that "Beast" does) this is creature supposedly of East Africa. I'm not too familiar with this one so I'll simply pop a crypto link up for you folks to check out so you can read up on it before the episode tonight!
http://www.cryptozoology.com/cryptids/nandi_bear.php
http://www.newanimal.org/nandibear.htm
At least there don't appear to be any crossovers with GH so we have that going for us!
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4:32 pm September 9, 2010
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I’ve been looking forward to the new DT season, but tonight is reserved for watching my Vikings in the NFL season starter. I’ll have to catch it when it airs again. I hope the new Beast Legends pans out to be worth watching too.
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6:04 pm September 9, 2010
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Sorry folks, I was wrong…J&G are uninvited guests (or at least unwelcomed by us) on this episode :(
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2:12 am September 10, 2010
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Nosfer said: "Sorry folks, I was wrong…J&G are uninvited guests (or at least unwelcomed by us) on this episode "
What? I was glad that Jason and Grant were there. How else would I know the difference between a normal cough and a two thousand year old cough filled with dust and such…you know, like a person choking on volcanic ash? Being the novice that I am, I completely missed that. So…you know…glad that they were there.
And speaking of being glad…I'm so glad that I'll have to wait for somebody to put that 3 second FLIR footage on Youtube so that I can maybe see it. Such great evidence and we're treated to a couple of seconds of it. Cool…because that way, it stays "mysterious." Grand…
Lastly…glad to see that they're up to their old tricks. Present the Nandi Beast/Bear. Go to the location. Fumble about in the dark. Brave the elements. Almost get eaten by something. And then reveal what it most likely is in the final 23 seconds of the piece. It's….a hyena! Really? Because I don't think that 86% of America was screaming that at their television sets.
Just like the "thunderbirds" in Alaska. Last 23 seconds…it's probably a Stellar Sea Eagle. Or the "mermaids" in Israel. Last 23 seconds…probably dolphins, manatee's or a mediterranean monk seal.
I don't know…I was disappointed. Then again, not sure what I was expecting. Perhaps the show is too far gone at this point…
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6:07 am September 10, 2010
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Do jason and Grant just listen to evps ,or do they actually go to Pompeii?
Wow,Nosfer, you were there? I've always wanted to go to italy and see the ruins, but never have had the money.So what did you think about it ,on a personal level?
My dad was there during World War 2.He and a friend Gordon Mellon went to Pompeii.
Gordon was a professor of archaic languages at the University of Minnesota, and could read the ancient grafetti they saw.My dad understood some latin, having been an altar boy,but not enough to read alot of it.
Which brings up the subject of ghosts. If there are any two thousand year old ghosts hanging around
Pompeii and Herculeaum, they most likely would speak greek and latin, and who knows maybe a few other ancient languages as well.If and that's a big if, they did catch evps in these languages, I would assume to understand what is being said they would take them to some university to translate.
I have my doubts that Jason and Grant are proficient in either language.
Never heard of the Nandi Beast.Thanks for the links.Seems like these odd animals are always turning up in Africa.
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6:33 am September 10, 2010
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Most likely latin at that point, though Naples (Napoli…Neopolis…"new city"…and further back Parthenope) was a Greek colony. So I was listening for Latin, and was expecting Jason to say that it sounded like "Yes" lol (or "get out"…DT ite domum?) I'm sure J&G do not go anywhere, but let Josh bring the evidence to them, much like spiders sitting in their webs waiting for an ATV to come ripping by.
The nonsense at the beginning about going into the crater to find a geode to offer at the temple of Isis was one of those &@#$* moments. I did enjoy their montage through Rome even though I have no clue what circuitous route would have taken them to those places in that order, their gps trail must have looked like someone flung a very cooked spaghetto (that's one strand of "spaghetti" BTW) onto the map.
I saw no ghosts in Pompeii, although as it gets darker (don't get me started on the "figure" as it's quite easy to stay in there and virtually impossible to clear everyone out at night) it does take on a bit more eerie look. Sounds, too, probably all natural but they do carry at night and if you're in ruins can bounce around a bit. So if you go in there hyped up to see something, you're going to see something probably. Plus if you hear someone who stayed in…
I liked how Jason brought up the temperature of the "figure" And pointed at the scale. Did anyone else see the scale? It was NOT visible on my TV screen so they could have had the thing set wrong as has J&G in some of the episodes…set on very wide range and everything will appear much closer in color. I'm not saying that's the case, but at this point I'm certainly not taking Jason's word for what the settings were.
The Nandi Panda…their initial representation looked hyenish with the addition of a hump which has been in the news lately with regards to some dinosaurs lol
And Vanessa wants them to get back because the perimeter alarm went off and she was all alone…bet that made the cameraman filming her feel about 2" tall.
And let me leave you with a final thought…are Gabe and Vanessa twins separated at birth?
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12:20 am September 11, 2010
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Nosfer said: "I liked how Jason brought up the temperature of the "figure" And pointed at the scale. Did anyone else see the scale? It was NOT visible on my TV screen so they could have had the thing set wrong as has J&G in some of the episodes…set on very wide range and everything will appear much closer in color. I'm not saying that's the case, but at this point I'm certainly not taking Jason's word for what the settings were."
Ok, I watched the episode again and looked at the review. Grant brings up "temperature coloration," points to the wall on the far right on the screen and says "There, not any warmer than the wall."
Jason chimes in saying that if the image was Josh or one of his teammates, the image would be "bright red. You would see the heat signature coming off of them. So whatever that is, it definitely doesn't look like a living person, it would be giving off a lot more heat."
So…does that mean all the images caught on the FLIR during GH episodes that show "bright red" heat aren't paranormal then?
And for the record…I still can't get a good look at the FLIR image. It seems like Josh is walking towards his left. The image also appears to be moving to the left (it's VERY hard to tell if it's moving at all) and then seems to disappear. It could have merely been a reflection of heat off some plexi-glass. When they are seen talking about it, we (the viewers) do see a tree. But…we are not shown what else is around the area. A dream of mine…is that these shows would actually show the area that a supposed paranormal event took place IN THE LIGHT OF DAY. I always wonder how many of these things that we could almost instantly explain if given a fair chance.
Nosfer also said: "And Vanessa wants them to get back because the perimeter alarm went off and she was all alone…bet that made the cameraman filming her feel about 2" tall."
I've seen those camera guys. I'd call for help too…
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8:14 am September 11, 2010
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I reviewed the temperature scene, it doesn't appear that either of them are pointing at the scale, you're right, they are comparing to the wall. Oh boy! Why not look at the temperature scale and say "See, yellow is only 60F"
I think what threw me is pointing clear to the other side of the screen at that wall rather than the wall against what the figure was standing by which was the same yellow.
And yes, the hot figures we see would thus be very suspicious…or more suspiciouser. It's almost like the premise of the questions being asked of J&G is "What sort of paranormality would be going on here?" As if it were already narrowed to being something not-normal. Sounds and figure, no explanations given of possible everyday things that it could be, jump right to the ghostly explanation.
The shape of the "figure" (looks more trapezoidal to me than human) and the way it disappears as the camera is panned makes me wonder if it is an angle reflection. Possibly the inside of one of the many arches and as the camera pans, it loses the angle that causes that reflection. Again, they didn't send anyone down to stand there and say "Here, this is what a human would have looked like and how tall it would be" How can they NOT think of that? It boggles my already-boggled mind!
Oh…sometimes I think it would be the cameraman calling for help! :)
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9:23 am September 11, 2010
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Nosfer said: "Oh…sometimes I think it would be the cameraman calling for help! "
Yeah. It all comes back to the law of the jungle…I don't have to be faster than the lion, I just have to be faster than the cameraman… 
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3:34 pm September 12, 2010
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Nosfer said:
Again, they didn't send anyone down to stand there and say "Here, this is what a human would have looked like and how tall it would be" How can they NOT think of that? It boggles my already-boggled mind!
Exactly ! The only time I can recall anyone doing that was GH in the movie studio ( Jim Henson ? ), and the timestamps ( remember them ? ) put the lie to Grant's explanation of the sequence of events.
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3:21 am September 13, 2010
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Just got to see this episode.
I see they have taken to the K-II moo poo meter. It just happens to go off at the very same time their wireless equipment goes off and on. This in fact easily explains the K-II activation as the K-II is very sensitive to "key clicks" as we call them or radio/wireless equipment switching on/off. So no, it's not ghosts this time. The DT team are nongs. 
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7:04 am September 13, 2010
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Learjet said:
Just got to see this episode.
I see they have taken to the K-II moo poo meter. It just happens to go off at the very same time their wireless equipment goes off and on. This in fact easily explains the K-II activation as the K-II is very sensitive to "key clicks" as we call them or radio/wireless equipment switching on/off. So no, it's not ghosts this time. The DT team are nongs. 
They learned from the best, one of the GH reruns the night before this episode had the K2 next to a recorder and instead of answering the questions, it seemed to lighting up simultaneously with the speaking. Now if that were a voice-actuated recorder….
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7:56 am September 13, 2010
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What's amusing to me is the irony that they travel half way around the world, only to find "ghosts" that are set off by the very equipment they brought with them to find the ghosts in the first place. What a complete waste of time.
The K-II and DAR you mention is another frequently misused equipment example. Here's another. Take this video for instance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvpS6ayeEJ0&feature=related
Notice the digital voice recorder pressed against the back of the K-II, right under the sensor array. They managed a wonderful Q&A with a ghost… that only existed in the DAR.
The above, the GH episode you mention and this DT episode are text book examples of equipment misuse by the paranormal community in general that have no idea how their equipment works.
Just because a device is cheap and seems to be easy to use doesn't necessarily mean that it is. The little coffin shaped box that has one switch and five lights is a can of worms!
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8:45 am September 13, 2010
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Learjet said about his video link: "Notice the digital voice recorder pressed against the back of the K-II, right under the sensor array. They managed a wonderful Q&A with a ghost… that only existed in the DAR."
I have to admit, your link threw me a bit. I was expecting a "here's what ghost hunters are doing wrong" kind of video and instead…actual ghost hunters who truly believe what they are doing is correct. Kind of sad in a way.
However, they did get one thing right…the statue that they are talking to or at or about is beautiful. I'll give them that… 
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9:48 am September 13, 2010
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Revenant said:
…I was expecting a "here's what ghost hunters are doing wrong" kind of video and instead…actual ghost hunters who truly believe what they are doing is correct. Kind of sad in a way.
When I first saw the video a few weeks ago I posted a comment on youtube pointing out that their evidence was contaminated by the DAR in close proximity to the K-II. That message never made it past moderation. Only the messages with glowing reports.
If their minds are made up that it was a real ghost and they can't take constructive criticism then that's a very one sided biased story. It's no longer sad, it's sticking one's head in the sand or sticking fingers in ears and going la la la.
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9:55 am September 13, 2010
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This particular video is featured in another youtube video that does exactly what Rev was saying…it shows what they are doing wrong. I saw it only about a week ago but can't seem to locate it at the moment.
Edited: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD4jiL8CgQU
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10:26 am September 13, 2010
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Ah I didn't know about that video.Thanks.
Makes me wonder now if there was deliberate deception or if the DAR movement was some kind of ideomotor effect.
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10:56 am September 13, 2010
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It was definitely ideo-something! :) I wonder about deliberateness, too.
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