October 28, 2009
GH: Briarhurst Manor
Sorry for the long delay, folks. This episode was accidentally overwritten by my DVR (I should have taught it better) but I've finally gotten hold of it.
Briarhurst Manor, built by a Rairoad (and other assorted Businss) Tycoon as his home and headquarters when he was tending to his Colorado businesses, weighs in at over 14,000 square feet. Unlike many of the other large-ish locations TAPS has investigated (e.g. Military Forts, Mental Asylums) this location is actually nice. The reports of activity are interesting only in that they fall mostly into the two common groups: Events that sound impressive, but were experienced by one person a long time ago and could have been embellished somewhere along the way, and events that are more modern with more witnesses, but also more potential for rational explanation.
One such story involved the "Bleeding Wall" where people had noticed there was some sort of red goo (with a bad smell) leaking out from behind the hundred-year-old wallpaper. Why have it analyzed (and proven to be some sort of chemical decay of the old wallpaper glue, or perhaps even mold of some type) when you can just assume it was caused by ghosts? To be fair, there were some less silly tales — such as one of the employees hearing a woman say an entire sentence to him in front of a witness when they were the only two people in the room. Another report was of a vase being thrown from it's shelf in front of 200 witnesses, but it couldn't have been "thrown" that hard because it's still there and apparently a little glue made it good as new — maybe it just fell, perhaps when someone slammed a door or some other strong vibration moved it slightly. Overall nothing remarkable that would make Briarhurst Manor stand out in my mind as being a particularly compelling location to investigate, above and beyond the standard fare.
Yet, they were a finalist in last year's "Great American Ghost Hunt" contest, so apparently TAPS saw potential here. Will the investigation meet or exceed their expectations? Without giving anything away I think we can be pretty sure it will. Will it meet or exceed ours? Well, if your expectations are "nothing impressive happens" then probably. We'll just have to wait and see.
Exhibit A: Jay & Grant are walking around in the Palmer Room when Jay heard a creaking noise. Grant remembered that they'd been told people sometimes heard the sounds of children running around in the attic above them, and suggested maybe the creaking noise was related to this. They both went upstairs and noticed that the floorboards up there creaked. Jay then went downstairs and confirmed that he could hear the creaking as Grant walked around upstairs; THEREFORE: "There's nobody up there, which means that something was upstairs walking on the creaking board" – Jason Hawes, 2009.
Let's ignore for the moment that sometimes old houses make noise and sometimes creaky boards creak without people walking on them; let's focus exclusively on Jay's testimony. He asserts that the sound of Grant walking was "the exact noise" he'd heard earlier and also that "it sounds like it's right above me", but during the initial experience he originally thought the sound was coming from elsewhere in the same room he was in and didn't even consider the possibility it might be coming from above him until Grant reminded him of the stories they'd heard. This should lead any rational person to conclude that the initial sound was not someone walking around in the attic above — because otherwise the sound would have been clearer and he wouldn't have had any difficulty determining the direction it was coming from. Luckily for Jay, he can just say the exact opposite and people will think it's very exciting they've already caught evidence of ghosts this early in the investigation. Yes, it's true — this particular spirit is the ghost of murdered logic.
Elsewhere, at the site Steve & Tango are walking around with an EMF detector commenting on how interesting it is that they're seeing readings of 0.9 millgauss on the stairs (readings below 3 milligauss are common and caused by radio waves and all sorts of normal phenomena but of course they never mention this) when Steve sits down for a moment to take a well-deserved break and notices a cold spot nearby. In order to confirm his observation, he asks Dave to come over and stick his hand into the cold spot and report whether or not he also believed the spot to be cold. Now maybe I'm asking too much, but you'd figure two guys with electro-magnetic field detectors might also have access to more mundane technology, such as a friggin thermometer — but apparently we've gone back to the gold standard of "Yeah, that does feel cold to me".
…and if you think I'm being too harsh, here's what Steve had to say, "At one point I felt sort of a cold spot so I wanted Tango to check it out just to be certain." That's right, instead of using a thermometer to "be certain" Steve uses Tango's arm. Hilariously (and sadly) Tango also thinks this is perfectly normal and apparently good Ghost Hunting technique as he said to Steve, "Oh yeah… put your hand down here, you'll feel it." Good job guys. These sorts of scientific techniques are also commonly used in other fields such as Astronomy, where scientists have determined the distance from the Earth to the Moon is 384,403 km by eyeballing it.
Of course in the end they trace the origin of the cold air to a draft coming from a door leading outside — but that's hardly the point. If they hadn't found a source for the cold air they'd label it as potentially paranormal, but meanwhile we're given no evidence to confirm the air was actually cold in the first place, or exactly how cold it was in relation to the ambient temperature. Regardless of conclusions — in fact, as as a prerequisite to them — there should be actual data that can be reviewed, especially when collecting that data means carrying around one of the smallest, least expensive, most readily available scientific tools in existence. Beyond that we know from Season One that they own a ton of thermometers. Where did they all disappear to?
Back in the Palmer room Jay & Grant both report seeing an odd light that isn't picked up by any of the cameras, and then repeatedly talk to each other and the audience about all the footsteps they are hearing from the attic above now, also apparently much more audible in person than on the extremely sensitive professional recording equipment their sound guy was running. It's almost as if they knew the audience had just seen Steve & Tango measuring air temperature with their arms and decided to out-ridiculous their employees. Look! All these exciting things are happening that we can see and hear but you cannot despite all of our audio and video equipment which we've expressly placed for the purpose of documenting this exact sort of thing! Super-cool, this place is totally haunted!
As if to answer my concerns they sent Kris & Amy in to take their place and the two women did report hearing the same types of sounds. Kris said it sounded distinctly like footsteps on a hard wood floor and Amy said the sounds were "loud". At this point there are really only two possible conclusions we can reach: Either Kris & Amy are (also) lying or else the audio equipment really does suck in an extremely pathetic way — especially seeing as these guys are well-funded enough to own some really expensive equipment (FLIR, anyone?) and have been doing these investigations for years. Why can't we hear these "loud" sounds?!
Given the reports that employees and guests at Briarhurst Manor have heard these "footsteps", especially when it's raining, I think the most likely explanation is that the sounds are in fact real. That doesn't make them paranormal, in fact the very notion that they happen more often during storms strongly suggests these are noises the house makes when it's windy, but it does strongly suggest the latter conclusion semi-outlined above: TAPS is terrible at collecting evidence. They own thermometers but don't use them when they notice (what they believe to be) changes in temperature. They have tons of audio recorders going but fail to capture "loud" sounds. Seriously, what the frick?!
Kris & Amy stayed up in the attic for a while and nothing happened. Amy said "the attic's gone quiet on us" but yet again this ignores the obvious conclusion: the creaking sounds were not caused by someone walking around up there. It's an old wooden structure, the creaking could be coming from anywhere within the floors, ceilings or walls when the building moves slightly in the wind, and what sounds like it might be coming from the attic above while you're in the Palmer room, might sound like it's coming from the room below if you put your ear to the attic floor. The only things we know for sure is that TAPS determined the source of these sounds was coming from the attic despite no one actually hearing these sounds spontaneously occur while standing in said attic. It's the scientific method at work, if by "scientific method" you mean "going with your gut".
But just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it turns out you're right and it can't. J & G decided to investigate the "bloody wall" and their first inclinations were towards some sort of "normal" explanation. They discovered immediately above the wall in question was a bathroom, and in that bathroom they discovered some (in their estimation) shoddily installed plumbing as well as a reddish cleaning agent that's dried remnants on the bottle's label strongly resembled the dried red gunk they'd seen on the wall below. It's more Sherlock Holmes than Stephen Hawking, but I still have to say one of their more defensible, and therefore stronger, debunks.
During the evidence review Tango manages to isolate precisely one instance of the sounds Jay & Grant were hearing in the Palmer room. This was played for the client and we can clearly hear three "thumps" in the recording that could be footsteps, but seriously: how is it that this went on for so long and was so loud, for both J&G and also Amy & Kris, yet in the end we get three "thumps" and nothing more. Awful.
Another piece of evidence was purported to be a man humming, but it coincided with some of the most horribly creaky — I would even coin the word "squeereeeky" — floors being walked on by Jay & Grant. I mean, the noises coming from the floor were beyond creaky, they were making some very odd and even shrill sounds on the high end, so I have to think there's a strong possibility this three-syllable "humming" heard on the recording could easily be part of the complex squeereeeking sound coming from those floor boards.
Perhaps the best evidence of the night was a sound-bite captured just as our Heroes were about to discover the red cleaning liquid in the upstairs bathroom: a sound they describe as a female voice and their host upon listening to it believed to be the voice of a child. Personally, I do think this sounds very much like the voice of a child, and unless it was somehow Kris or Amy (which is a possibility that must be considered) I have no ready explanation for it. The sound is very brief, which means it still could potentially something completely other than an actual voice (like a door squeaking open), but it certainly does sound like a voice.
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Comments on GH: Briarhurst Manor »
Lar @ 6:39 am
They should've called this episode TAPS n'Tammila. TAPS misleads you from the very start. They don't tell you the Wrights for the past 25 years have made their living GHOST HUNTING. Well, the Wrights put a more ethical spin on it. They are instead referred to only as HISTORIANS of the Manor. They are also actors having appeared regularly on the History Channel.
This place is haunted..by big ego's.
http://www.hauntedbriarhurst.com/about_us.
Debunking claims. At least TAPS did this. Although I've noticed such a double standard now. If they can debunk clients claims of paranormal activity they do. But when TAPS claims something a BIG paranormal moment (Meatloaf's water bottle) they rarely debunk it.
Like most episodes of late if the evidence isn't suspicious, then what they have to show is weak, much like the floor boards.
alicat @ 8:02 am
I think the biggest problem I had with this woman was that at the Reveal she wasn't that good an actress. Her composure and expressions gave it all away. The first was the response to the "debunking" of the red substance that she claimed "ruined" the wallpaper was unbelievable. She gave it all away from the get go. The entire time while J & G were talking she looked like "are we going to get caught?". Then just when Jason was telling her about the red cleaner they found, her eye movement and facial expression were extremely telling that she knew they had been caught and she tried to pull it back but was not very successful. The rest went downhill from there.
Three things that made me laugh (other than the whole episode) were 1) the comment Grant made about them being Roto Rooter plumbers (sure) talking about the plumbing in the bathroom; 2) Grant's comment "it's always blowing my mind when you have the same exact experience as what the clients are saying"; and 3) when Jason tells Grant as they sit down at the table "I got to be honest with you, I thought they were full of crap when they were telling us… the sound of running upstairs." You would have thought the editors would have cut that out or the Jason would have thought before he spoke but who are we kidding here?
Then the ridiculous Steve and Tango episode with the mop was just that – ridiculous. Again, the purpose? Editing?
The impression I was left with after watching this episode was that this was a "given" from the minute the location was floated. Boring and predictable.
blinddog50 @ 8:20 am
Lar,
Thanks for the link.
The Wrights photos on their website were ridiculous.
Could be debunked by a third grader.
GH really skipped over the guppy on this one, (not enough there for a jump).
They must be dumb,(I don't think they are), lost the last remnants of integrity,(possible), or just don't give a damn anymore,(most likely).
alicat @ 8:40 am
@ Lar: "Well, the Wrights put a more ethical spin on it. They are instead referred to only as HISTORIANS of the Manor. They are also actors having appeared regularly on the History Channel." This is somewhat like the spin I referred to above with Grant claiming they are Roto Rooter plumbers but are now ghost hunters acting on the SyFy Channel. Yep! It's all spin. Too bad we can't spin it down the drain.
The link is like the icing on a cake as far as I'm concerned and reinforces my comment that this was a given.
Angelayo1970 @ 8:59 am
Oh, but wait…the Wright's are totally legit. They have orb photos on their website!! *dripping with sarcasm*
I remember Tamilla from the Haunted Rockies episode of Haunted History on the History Channel. She wasn't a very good actress then either!
StanTheMan @ 9:03 am
I had a few thoughts in addition to the three from alicat: (1) was the call to the girls when J&G were claiming to hear the girl's voice filmed after the fact to show an attempt to debunk the voice, (2) was Tammila in the house when they heard the voice?, (3) with all the recorders around why weren't the voices picked up, (4) when J&G went to the attic to see if anyone was up there making all the noise I don't remember them going behind the door the girls found later and (5) what was with some witnesses not wanting to come on camera because they were afraid of increasing the activity when a few others did grant interviews, a new theory perhaps.
I will sat that that was one impressive house.
blinddog50 @ 9:30 am
Moss Beach Redux?
Hardwood floors don't creak if you have carpet on them?
Even Ghost Labs might have called Bob Vila on that.
rjlaman @ 9:39 am
Heres something Ive noticed:
They record via production crew a sound sort of sinister sounding and play it back for the client. Well,
I'm pretty sure I recognize what that sound is. Its walking on old floor boards length wise. What I believe happened was as they where walking out the production crew lowered the boom mic at a natural resting position and caught floor board noise as they walked out. The sound signature to me is clearly that of a floor board. I cannot believe they couldn't/ wouldn't here the same thing at playback!
Open to comments and opinions.
P.s. they need to hire a recording Engineer such as myself to document sound. Sorry to say but the sound guys at the location just hold the mic and change tapes. They mostly are lower level or interns and really haven't studied acoustics in any deep degree. A recording engineer knows to change mics reflecting the rooms acoustics for proper recording.
Also, the Ghost Hunters need to understand Psycho Acoustics. I can make you believe you heard some rumbling simply by adding sounds at a higher frequency and add slightly lower sound at a different octave. This can be used by using a BBE processor.
Anyways…I digress a little.
captainsteve @ 9:59 am
If they allegedly heard walking in the attic wouldn't you want to place a video camera and a "digital recorder" there to catch any paranormal activity? Second, wouldn't it be easier to check the wallpaper and locate the leaking toilet when the lights were on? Just my thoughts before I changed the channel to the Mythbusters. In fact I think the folks from Mythbusters could have done a better job.
Nosfer @ 10:19 am
And at least twice the little girl is reported playing outside in broad daylight (no nocturnal sightings that I recall)…so, let's set the cameras out there from dusk to dawn.
Angelayo1970 @ 10:33 am
rjlaman, I agree with you that the sound was floorboards creaking, but wasn't there a "voice" in there as well? Which is why, I believe, they presented it to the client. Please someone, correct me if I'm thinking of the wrong thing.
rjlaman @ 12:34 pm
There might have been a whispery voice but I believe what we are hearing is natural as they walk out and creak the old planks from a house built in 1888. In those days they really didn't plane the wood and in fact some are hand haughed. These uneven clearances change as the temperature changes. You will hear more creeks in the evening from the house being cooler.
Also, when people are on the move its hard for me to except anything as evidence. That is based on the fact that all the parties in the room are moving which creates and colors noise. Sometimes when you start to walk and or during a conversation your lungs and vocal cords can inadvertently cause sound without you consciously aware of it.
Robs rules of sound:
If the audio recording device is in motion then you must omit it as evidence.
The Doctor @ 6:28 pm
Once again Steve shows what a class act he is while flinging stinky mop water around the clients manor house.
Will his childish antics be compiled and taught to his students in GHA ?
Nosfer @ 6:31 pm
Ya know what they shoulda done? They shoulda sprinkled some flour up in that there attic and seen if any of them footprints appeared. Yup they shoulda gone old school.
Nosfer @ 6:36 pm
Also funny how Steve does his little flashlight drop and clank on the table at the exact and only moment that the cameraman pans AWAY from him. Yup, that was accidental…right!
CrowTRobot @ 7:05 pm
@ captainsteve.
I wondered the same thing: either put a video camera up there or have someone go up and sit for a while. My favorite part, though, was when J&G were sitting at the table and say something like, "There is it again. Can you believe it?"……and just continue to sit there.
The 'little girl' sightings: OK. Maybe I missed something, but the client stated that on two seperate occasions diners had commented that they especially enjoyed/appreciated the little girl playing outside while they ate…… WHY would anyone make note of some kid playing outside? If anything, I'd want her to go away so I could eat in peace. Did I miss something: was she supposedly dressed in period costume, was she playing an instrument, WHAT was she doing that made people express delight?
Angelayo1970 @ 7:46 pm
I thought that was a weird comment to make too Crow. If some kid was running around and playing outside of the window I was sitting at, and it was obviously enough to make me really take notice of it, I would probably find that intrusive and annoying!
And also, what did the lady they interviewed in the beginning mean when she said something like "lots of people won't speak on camera about their experiences here because they're afraid of stirring something up". What? Stirring what up? More activity? More tourists? What??? I totally did not understand what she meant by that!
ghostgirl74 @ 9:34 pm
"Once again Steve shows what a class act he is while flinging stinky mop water around the clients manor house.
Will his childish antics be compiled and taught to his students in GHA ?"
OOOOH! Can we compile a "Steve List"?
bullerspoke @ 5:17 pm
Been making my way through this season (better late than never) and while there is so much to speak of, I just wanted to add a quick comment on the the little girl's voice. As is seen on the video J&G are making their way into the bathroom. To do that they move a chair that is blocking the door. An the alleged voice occurs during the time they shuffle the chair out of the way. Ergo: the chair made that high-pitched noise. A noise which was, due to the stories and confirmation bias, in the the minds of GH and other believers translated into a girl's voice. I actually couldn't believe they actually went with it and showed it during the reveal. It was such an obvious explainable event that is really does not service their image as debunkers to try and sell the audience such, well, crap. I could replicate that sound anytime. Moving stuff around creates noise, chairs and furniture make noise when you shuffle/drag them on the floor, dude.
Anyone who ever went to a larger school know of the rumbling noise of a couple of hundred chairs being pushed back make in the building as kids rush out of their chairs/benches to go home from school.
It really pains me they did not even think to debunk it when they just after that debunked the bleeding wall so nicely. And btw, to the homeowners if you have a leaking pipes behind a wall with original 1890's wallpaper, get it fixed ASAP before the whole wallpaper (and wall) is ruined!