September 24, 2009
GH: Church of St. Andrew
The Church of St. Andrew is a place with some interesting history. Originally constructed in 1712, the church was expanded upon several times in it's history, each time encroaching more and more on the graveyard that was next to the building. Apparently no one had realized quite how much the church had moved over the graveyard until 1989 when human remains from 17 bodies were found during construction in the church's basement.
A number of different paranormal-type experiences have been reported in the building and on the grounds, but most of them border on the mundane. I know it's not in good taste, but I nearly laughed when they interviewed the caretaker and he said sometimes when he was alone in the church he "felt a presence". Normally this is just the generalized sort of thing I think most investigators can safely ignore and write off as the general human tendency to creep one-self out, but dude it's a church! Aren't you supposed to feel a presence?
I mean, maybe it's wrong to assume someone who works in a church is probably a religious man but upon "feeling a presence" wouldn't the natural assumption be 'God' or 'The Holy Spirit' and not 'it must be a ghost' ?
There were some more interesting reports though. One in particular was a photograph that was taken in the basement/catacombs area of the church which shows what appears to be a noose — which also happens to be partially transparent and wasn't actually there according to the photographer). Something like that might possibly be explained by a common photographic glitch, but if so then the shape of the anomaly as well as it's prominent location in the photograph would be a sizable coincidence. Of course, Steve and Tango quickly agree that it's a piece of lint so maybe that's it, I dunno.
Also there was the tale of the drummer boy who has been seen by some, walking through the graveyard, but more often his drums have been heard — by many people including the Priest who gave TAPS their tour of the property.
As the team began their investigation Grant said, "We're not going to treat this place any differently just because it is a church". I hope that doesn't mean Jay's going to climb up onto the altar with his shoes on as if it was a client's bed.
In fact, we do see Jay start climbing up on some of the less holy parts of the church in his quest to determine what might make a candle suddenly burn brighter for no apparent reason, and also cause a set of heavy chimes to ring. It turns out his climbing wasn't necessary anyway, as the answer seemed to come from the floor — right beneath both the candle and chimes was a vent in the floor for a forced-hot-air system. The hypothesis being that if the air turned on (by the thermostat) all of sudden it would cause the candle to burn brighter (due to the additional oxygen moving through the flame) and cause the chimes to move. They didn't manage to prove it, but the location of the vent combined with the reported phenomena seemed to coincidental not to be connected.
In the chapel, Kris and Amy began hearing sounds they hadn't hear (nor had Jay & Grant) earlier. They asked it to come closer to them and the sounds seemed to oblige. They detailed that the sound seemed to come from near the altar at first, then halfway thrrough the congregation (but apparently still near a wall) and then from the wall just nearby. I wonder if this isn't the heat/air coming on. The girl noted it as odd but couldn't reach any conclusion beyond that.
Outside Steve & Tango searched for the drummer boy. Right away it seemed that they'd heard something, but quickly lost interest in whatever it was and dropped into an existential conversation about life after death, heaven, hell and free will. Steve, apparently bored, decided for no good reason that if he took two sticks and played "snare drum" on the stub of a tree branch he might be able to lure the drummer boy out, but alas it was not to be.
From the reveal it was very clear that their host, Father Michael, was very keen on believing his church was haunted by a benign spirit (other than the Holy Spirit) and his enthusiasm didn't seem the least bit dampened by TAPS basically telling they hadn't found anything paranormal but had some very good debunks. They did apparently confirm with local historians that a little drummer boy was shot and buried on the property, so that was interesting. I am a poor boy too, pa rum pum pum pum.
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M. Roget @ 7:51 am
Just a small, somewhat giggle-worthy observation made during Kris/Amy's little jaunt into the St. Andrew's "catacombs"- on 2nd viewing there seemed to be an old portrait of a Victorian era woman in a wire basket on the floor next to Kris while she was expounding on something or other. The face was post-prod. fuzzed out. Privacy issues? Didn't get the old gal's sig on a release form? Not quite. The portrait was fuzzed because it's one of those Halloween lenticular pictures called a "Gortrait":
http://www.allholidaytreasures.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HTTA329&Category_Code=10gortraits
Between the Gortrait & the newish-looking "toe pincher" wooden coffin leaning against the back wall in many shots, one might think that St. Andrew stores some Halloween Haunt props down in their catacombs. Ah, Halloween haunts- always a great fundraiser & kid pleaser for any parish to put on around this time of year.
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Brenny @ 8:41 am
a three foot ten year old? what?
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StanTheMan @ 10:24 am
It is very telling that when Jason supposedly sees the mass he says "did you see that" and Grant answers "what was that". He doesn't mention what he saw until after Jason has told him or should I say clued him. This has become an investigation staple and is usually at the first commercial.
I may have my espisode wrong but it's the same in every one.
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Angelayo1970 @ 10:55 am
Oh ugh! That was in the Benton House one but you are so right Stan! That stuck out like a sore thumb. He totally missed the production meeting on that one!
Producer: "So Jason, you say you saw a black shadowy figure and Grant, you agree. Got it?"
Jason: Got it.
Grant: Wha…? Uh, yeah, got it!
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TasCat @ 11:19 am
I thought both investigations were pretty lackluster. There seemed to be no enthusiam, at times it appeared that Kris and Amy were doing evp sessions sans digital voice recorder.
Both episodes neglected to show the boring evaluation of footage scene (yay!) as well as I don't remember seeing the moon through the clouds in time lapse!
I was kind of wondering if the pastor/priest forgot to take his pills that morning, he sure was hyper! But another episode where Jay and Grant see something, but no one else does, the shadow in the church, and the 3 1/2 foot tall 10 year old…poor kid. Plus they break out the laptop for the reveal in both, so we the viewers in anticipation of seeing some other evidence they may have found, get kicked in the pants.
Again, I think they just threw a "sighting" in each one to at least get us to stay until the reveals.
A quick note on a very old episode…Brian and Steve are examining evidence, it's Steve's idea to fast forward through stuff, messing around, burping and blowing it in Brian's face…but Brian gets the heat. Makes me think that Brian had a good reason to leave, it was probably one of those "I quit!" "No, you're fired!" situations..who knows. Sad when the rerun was more interesting than the new episode though. Like listening to a joke who's punchline you already know, but you giggle anyway.
I was just plain unimpressed and disappointed, no FLIR, limited EMF detection, lackluster evp work, even depressing when Kris was "provoking" the British Soldiers, not provoking, downright taunting, I expected her to stick her tongue out and go "Nyah, Nyah, Nyah!"
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The Doctor @ 12:13 pm
@M. Roget -
Great catch on the gortrait - That kind of explains the cat skeleton that freaks out Amy also … just another prop that suckers an experienced ghost hunter.
At about that same time, Kris says something like " alright chimes .." and we hear some chimes sounding.
If she is mentioning them to flag them on the audio tape as non-evp, which would mean they are a regular occurance, why is that never explained ?
ARE there regular chimes that go off in that church ?
On another forum it was questioned that the wind would nver be able to sound the chimes up in the church as they are very heavy - well, just how DO they sound then ?
Perhaps some automatic timer that could get messed up and ring them wrong until it gets reset ?
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Mary @ 12:27 pm
Speaking of that upright coffin, does anyone here remember the old Svengoolie show out of various Chicago TV stations? This 'ghoul' hosted late night horror movies. He would stand in a coffin just like that, and throw rubber chickens. I kept waiting for those rubber chickens to start flying around Kris and Amy's heads.
BERWYN!?!?!?
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Mary @ 12:38 pm
For those of you that have never seen The Sven, here is a YouTube video of a Svengoolie skit. I hope the link works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AchkTcnE5Jw
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Tkfourtwo1 @ 1:44 pm
It is becoming painfully clear that TAPS doesn't really care anymore. It is almost uncomfortable to watch them go through the motions. The unenthusiastic way they deal with clients now reminds me that scene in "Galaxy Quest" where the cast went to the opening of the appliance store and just said their lines to get paid.
Also, if I have to hear Jason say "Is that it?" when taking a tour, I may just put the show on mute. I loved seasons 1 & 2, but sure not what it used to be…
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HollyDolly @ 4:01 pm
Some churches do have chimes or bells that go off usually on the hour.
I don't know if churches use an actual person to ring the bells anymore,but they do have some sort of computer program i think now a days where they can go and set the chimes to go off at certain times. This maybe a feature of the church.It is also possible that the mechanism that makes the chimes go off has some sort of short maybe.
They should have looked into that so it could be debunked. I mention that in case that's one of the claims that they go off at odd hours, especially late at night when no one is in the church,like at 1:00AM.
I don't care for the provoking part.Too bad one of those British Soldiers didn't knock her on her butt.Now that would have been great tv. By the way,where is this church?
Funny about the Halloween stuff in the church.Around here several of the churches like the Baptist do something around Halloween,but THEY call it a Harvest festival,yeah right. If they were so concerned about the spooky aspects of the holiday and satan and all, then don't even have any festival around Halloween.
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The Doctor @ 5:30 pm
Maybe they should just tell the priest to RTFM
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Angelayo1970 @ 6:50 pm
There was one "debunk" that bothered me on this investigation. When Steve and Tango are in the storage room where people have seen shadows moving past the windows, Steve gets the bright idea to go outside and look at Dave walking around to see if he can see him walking past. Well, of course, he can and he does. DEBUNKED! Really? Okay…but do we know for a fact that EVERY SINGLE TIME someone has seen a shadowy figure walk past the windows, someone was in the church? I mean, is someone present in the church 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Yes, it IS probably people walking around up there MOST of the time people see shadows. But I don't think you can say "We debunked the shadows moving in front of the windows because Steve could see Dave Tango walking by up there when he was outside." Well NO DOUBT!!
I don't know, that one just bothered me.
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hammer1 @ 9:04 pm
A Church with ghost tours. Why I never…..
(Richmond is a section of Staten Island IIRC)
http://www.silive.com/entertainment/recreation/index.ssf/2007/10/the_awe_halloween_guide.html
"Fright Night," tomorrow, Saturday, 7 to 10 p.m. Church of St. Andrew's, 40 Mill Rd., Richmond. Admission: $5. 718-351-0900.
It's time for a different kind of spiritual awakening at the Church of St. Andrew's "Fright Night." Explore the "haunted" catacombs, bone yard, library, jail and country inn. Storytelling, cookies and coffee await at the end. Recommended for brave souls 10 or older.
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The Doctor @ 12:19 am
Angelayo1970-
"Okay…but do we know for a fact that EVERY SINGLE TIME someone has seen a shadowy figure walk past the windows, someone was in the church? "
Not sure what you are going for here -
If the claim is that Casper closes a door, and investigators find a window that if open will allow enough wind to blow the door shut, it does not make sense to persue the investigation of that incident much further.
It appears that with your EVERY SINGLE TIME condition you are expecting extraordinary proof of what seems to be a very ordinary occurance.
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Angelayo1970 @ 12:26 pm
No Doc, not expecting it. I understand the concept of debunking something based on "this is most likely what is happening". It just bothers me to a degree that it's stated in an almost mocking way "how could anyone think it could possibly be anything else?" I mean, if it's happening a lot when the church is empty, there has to be another explanation than someone walking past the windows.
I guess what I was trying to say that didn't come across is…is this claim happening most often when the church is empty? Because if it is, you can't claim to have debunked it using the methodology they used.
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The Doctor @ 5:23 pm
"I guess what I was trying to say that didn't come across is…is this claim happening most often when the church is empty?"
Well, our investigators never ask that question and the priest dosen't address it, so we might assume that no one ever followed up on it - In itself that's strange since the priest says that HE saw some darkening, yet dosen't mention that he was concerned enough to check out if someone was in his church.
It appears that groups are allowed to hunt in the church -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzT15TteoJc
I wonder why the good father never mentioned this video ?
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Mary @ 9:49 am
I was left wondering why the 'footsteps' in the chapel (heard by Kris and Amy) were so quickly dismissed. In other 'investigations' the sounds have not been nearly as clear to the viewer at home, yet those noises were declared as ghost footsteps. (Do we remember the infamous "let's toss flour on the floor and see if the ghost leaves a Nike footprint?" episode?) What is considered 'ghostly' as opposed to 'not-ghostly' leaves me confused. Why did we not hear those noises amplified during the reveal, and at least tell the viewer what is was, if not a ghost?
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M. Roget @ 10:32 am
On further reviewing freeze frames of the debunked still photo in St. Andrew's basement showing possible noose- just freeze it & have a close look on the right hand side of the pic. I've decorated enough Halloween charity haunts for my former parish in Pasadena to know fake, white clumpy cobwebs hanging down when I see them. The cheap ones clump/thread all over the place, so that loopy little noose image can be solved then & there. At least GH did debunk this, & it could hardly have been difficult for them if they looked at the pic for more than 2 seconds.
Someone standing behind the fake cobwebbing on the right of the pic is wearing black makeup around mouth & eyes. Does St. Andrew's Halloween fundraiser include a spooky walkthrough of their under-church catacombs? That would be a wee bit strange, imo. Not too many Halloween haunts, hayrides, etc that I'm aware of take place in real churches, graveyards, mortuaries, etc. Father Mike would have a good time explaining his authorizing the actual church/graveyard usage to most of the Anglican priests I've known.
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BrendaLee @ 1:25 pm
While we've not used the actual church for a haunting, we have created haunted houses at our local church, in the youth building. When we are not using our scary supplies, we store them in the church attic. So, it is not too unusual to see those supplies in a church basement.
I think the "noose" was probably a thread; I have the same problem with my phone camera. Threads often hang in front of the lense and would impact the photo if I let them.
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M. Roget @ 2:28 pm
I hear you, Brenda. Holliston Avenue Church, my old parish, used to put on a wonderful Halloween haunt fundraiser every year. It was held in the parish school & its yard located behind the main church building. The reason I thought perhaps St. Andrew was using the basement to stage part of their haunt was a) the faux cobwebs draped near the right side of the debunked photo b) hammer1's comment upstairs in this thread that basically says they did just that back in 2007. Here's the link hammer1 dug up on this (and btw, great leg work finding it, h1!):
http://www.silive.com/entertainment/recreation/index.ssf/2007/10/the_awe_halloween_guide.html
Have to love the way the announcement says you'll be touring the catacombs AND the "bone yard." I sure hope they meant a Halloween version of one they set up for the kiddies & not the actual cemetery grounds we saw so much of in this GH ep.
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Liz M @ 9:23 pm
I had a thought about the drummer boy… Tango and Steve seemed to have heard something, and I thought I also heard something. I also noticed there were cars driving in the background. I was wondering if it could be the expansion joints they put in cement roadways. If cars are going over it fast enough, it might sound kind of like a drum. But we're never told if there is a pattern to the drumming, if it's a roll or just some random taps.
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M. Roget @ 8:50 am
J/G put what other sites have labeled the "Clown Team" out in the cemetery to fool around with twigs, reference Steve's arachnophobia, have a short exchange about life after death (someone could write a whole post on how that went), & ohbytheway "investigate" the drummer boy stories.
Liz M, you also want them to have taken time out from their busy clownin' around schedule to look into noises from expansion joints in the roadway? S/T don' need no stinkin' expansion joints!!!
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M. Roget @ 9:27 am
I guess what galled me the most about the St. Andrew's "investigation" was GH's (yet again) hasty, sloppy debunking. S/T make a few remarks about tree branches tapping & poof! drummer boy explained away (if Liz M can think of the roadway expansion joints theory sitting at home, why can't they on site?), J/G immediately conclude that the air vent (that Fr. Mike & everyone else have to have felt come on a bazillion times & seen the results of) is the cause of the chimes/flame anomalies, Steve stating that Tango looks like a black mass going by the storeroom window so that's insta-debunked, when Tango looked nothing like a black mass or shadow onscreen. He looked like Tango shuffling back & forth in his cap.
"Case solved. Now I can go home." Hey, if you really feel the need, go for it, Jay.
But, it's all good- Fr. Michael loved every bit of it, as he repeatedly told J/G during the Reveal.
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Angelayo1970 @ 2:06 pm
I think Fr. Michael would have smiled and nodded if J&G had told him that Satan himself haunted the catacombs. "That's just great!!!" Smile smile, nod nod. Not that I'm making fun of a man of the cloth, but he was just so darn agreeable and happy! LOL
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Steve @ 12:39 pm
Bring Back Brian!! At least he was entertaining!! This show is just a commercial for all things TAPS..Did you notice Jason wearing the "Spalding Inn" sweatshirt!?
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a member @ 11:28 am
Hi i am a member of the church and would like to point out a few things:
1 the bodies that were found below the church were slodiers from the rvolutionary war not bodies from the graveyard.
2 If the chimes in the church and the candle were caused by the A/C wouldnt that happen all the time? yes and as a paritioner i can tell you that that does not happen all the time.
3 the picure and coffin are for fright night
4 the skelington in the catacombes is a racoon's and is real not a gimmick
5.earlier in the show it is said that when the shadows are seen when no one is in the church
6 the picture that they "debunk" is only one of many like in so it could not be a coincidence because they have manyt differnt shapes sizes and were taken from many diferent cameras and developed seperately so it couldn not be a camera glitch
if you have questions post them here and ill be happy to answer them
thanks
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M. Roget @ 12:22 pm
a member-
Hello & thank you for commenting. I do have a couple of questions you can perhaps answer:
Do you know if the drumming sound heard in the cemetery has any kind of pattern to it that makes it sound like someone is drumming, for example a rolling series of taps or some other type of cadence to the sounds?
Are any of the roadways/streets bordering the cemetery made of concrete slabs? In the comments above it was suggested that metal expansion joints in a concrete roadway might possibly account for the tapping or drumming sound people hear.
Does the St. Andrew Fright Night include a tour of the catacombs? If so, are the catacombs decorated for the tour with fake cobwebs, or decorated in any other way?
-I completely agree with you about the air vent being used as an explanation for the chimes & candle action, as stated in one of my comments above, also the very simplistic GH debunking of the shadow seen in the storage room window.
Thanks again for taking the time to visit SV & comment about the GH St. Andrew investigation.
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The Doctor @ 1:51 pm
Hi, and welcome a member -
I think most of us agree that their debunk of the chimes WAS bunk, but I'm curious of just how the chimes ARE rung ?
It appears at one point in the episode the chimes are heard, and Kris mentions them offhand as if it was a normal occurance - are they on some kind of timer ?
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Amember @ 9:02 pm
Hello im here to answer your questions and i apriciate your interest.
1. the druming sound that is heard has been described as a traditional civil/revolutionary candence that you would expect to hear.
2 the roadways are traditional blacktop roadways with the metal rebarb undere it but i truthfuly do not beleive that to be the cause of the sound.
3 yes you will be able to walk thorough the church and the catacombes but they will be decorated according to our theme which is phobias
4 A for the ringing of the chimes the seems to be a misconception as to this, the chimes that were shown and supposedly "debunked" WERE NOT THE SAME ONES THAT RANG. the chimes that rang were a regular occurence because they are on a timer in the bell tower they signal the approach of every 1/2 hour and hour.
ill be happy to answer more questions so keep em comming and if anyone is interest in fright night let me know and ill try to hep you out because the lines do get quite long.
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The Doctor @ 9:35 pm
Thanks for the reply on the chimes -
So there is a second set on automatic that we heard and the ones that we are shown do not normally ring at all … if I have it correct.
Is this set ever purposefully rung ? If so, what would be the circumstances and how is this done ?
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M. Roget @ 4:45 am
Been gone almost all of Sunday, so I haven't had a chance yet to say thanks for your replies, a member.
Sounds as if you've got quite a fundraiser going at St. Andrew with Fright Night. Were I living somewhere near your area rather than in Los Angeles, I'd certainly take you up on the offer to attend.
One further question for you- have you personally experienced any of the phenomena that were featured in the GH episode?
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a member @ 8:56 pm
Doc- you are correct the set you heard and saw were two different sets. and the set you saw does not ring for any reason EVER they are put in such a place that they will only ring if were are in the presence of "the holy spirit".
Roget- i have not personally experienced the phenomina but im bringing a video camera to fright night to see if i cant capure footage of anything and ill be sure to let you know of how it comes out.
Again anyone interested in fright night let me know ill give you all the info.KEEP EM COMING LOL
thanks
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The Doctor @ 10:32 pm
a member -
Is the missionary chimes incident the Father mentions the same as the one in the Youtube video ( linked above ) ?
Have there been more incidents then these two ( this one ) ?
I noticed the door behind the chimes is open when Jay & Grant are there. What's the function of that door ?
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M. Roget @ 2:40 pm
Doctor-
I remember wondering about that door too until noticed the vents in it & the organ pipes on both sides- possibly the pipe room for their organ. If St. Andrew still uses a pipe organ, air flow is definitely affected in that area. But they would be very used to air flow affect on chimes & lamp from that. A member would of course know for sure what the door is & where it leads. Maybe it now leads to sanctuary heating system instead of organ pipe system; pipes are visible in the doorway IIRC.
And thanks once more for your answer to my question, a member.
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M. Roget @ 3:59 pm
I'm thinking more & more on re-reading this thread that "a member" really came by to promote this year's St. Andrew Fright Night. If so, hey, good on you for the fundraising efforts. Disprove my surmise, "a member"- come back to these comments & give an answer to The Doctor's last question.
St. A Fright Night tix must be near to sold out by now from the GH tv exposure of your haunted church. Or are tix sold only on each night of your haunt?
Seems to be a geographically wide-spread group commenting here on SV, most of whom can't physically make it to the St. A fundraiser. What have you got to lose, "a member."
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alicat @ 4:11 pm
M. Roget,
That does happen upon occasion. You'll get the feel for it as time goes on. Every once in awhile others do the same thing. Perhaps "a member" will come back. If not, it's just a post. Members here come from as far away as Australia, across the U.S. to England and even Sweden.
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CrowTRobot @ 1:38 pm
I know I'm late, but if you're still here:
a member said,
"Doc- …and the set you saw does not ring for any reason EVER they are put in such a place that they will only ring if were are in the presence of "the holy spirit"."
Ok. a member. I have a question. If the chimes are in place to detect the prescence of 'The Holy Spirit', why did you call the TV show, GH, instead of …….. I don't know … pray, consult the Bible, something more Christian/religious-like.
EDIT: My post sounds more cynical than I really intended. I really am curious. This is the second or third church GH has done, and I just find it odd that a church would call in a ghost hunters group to investigate…
but that's just me.
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blinddog50 @ 2:55 pm
I'm on your bench Crow.
Taking the Bible literally, followers are to avoid unholy spirits, demons, mediums and prognosticators.
However there is no mention of a coterie of dolts from R.I.
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Nosfer @ 8:04 pm
Regarding the chimes…this also is going to sound a bit challenging but I'm curious what you mean by "only in the presence of the Holy Spirit" Has a spirit detector thus been discovered? How has this been accomplished such that that is the only way they will ring?
Along those lines, (and I don't want to go religious in this thread but…) isn't the Holy Spirit present there quite often? Shouldn't those chimes be ringing whenever "two or more are gathered"?
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a member @ 8:32 pm
Hello and sorry for my absence i have been quite buisy of late.As for your questions i will answer them in the order they were posted AFTER my last post.
1. Doc & Roget - that door does in fact lead to a pipe organ room we have a very beautiful system at the church and that is o room containing many of the pipes. So in theroy yes it could explain your theroy however i cannnot remember a time when that door was left open for more than a few minutes so i do not beleive that to be the cause. M y belif comes from the fact that those chimes were sitting there for quite a while and if the airflow from the organ was affecting them wouldnt they go off frequently during mass?
2. Roget- not really apriciating the challenging hostility that your post was implying but ill answere it despite this in case im just thaking it the wrong way. As you hopefully noticed i answered the question about that room above and it is true that i came on her to help with fright night because we are putting alot of effort into it so anyone that can come, we would live to have you.in addition we are not selling advanced tickets except to members of our congregation and as for your latter comment i have nothing to loose and much to gain.
3.ali cat- im not sure if there was a question in there i dont think there was but if for some reason the was plea repost it more clearly thanks.
4. Crow- thank you for your clarification on the tone of your comment and truly i do not know why T.A.P.S was called but i can only sumise tht it was for at least one of two reasons:
the first is because T.A.P.S. is well known and it would get our church better recognized
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a member @ 8:48 pm
my post continued—
the seccond reason is because as christians were must beleive in spirits and life after death so i suppose that they were there to see if any of the churches former inhabbitants still visited us from time to time.
5. Bulldog- i beleive i answered you aswell
6. Nosfer- The spot for those chime was chosen so that there is no interfearence the chime are quite heavy and so the organ pipes nor the A/C would bother them and the stained glass windows behind the altar ARE NEVER OPEN in fad i dont think they can be opened. As for your question abotu the Holy spirit, you are correct that the holy spirit is always supposed to be with us but i suppose these were intended to ring if there is an extreamly strong presence. Honestly i cant relly explain it a whole lot more than that because that is what Father Michael told us their use so those are his words not mine
As always any other questions you have i would be happy to answer and if anyone is in the tri-state area an plans to come to fright night or even attend mass just to see what our historic parish is truly like please let me know.
thanks
a member
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blinddog50 @ 9:19 pm
I'm going to bed.
I gotta' sleep on all that.
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