September 17, 2009
GH: Union County Courthouse
Sheetie is back! Welcome to the Union County Courthouse in Elizabeth, New Jersey. Dave Tango's father, Bruce thought TAPS might be interested in the case and even came along to investigate as part of the team. This location has a naturally high creep-factor. For one thing, the building sits right next to one of the oldest graveyards in Union County, where many of the gravestones date back to the Revolutionary war — and an employee at the courthouse believes he saw one such resident walking the grounds.
The records room is also fantastic; I've always thought libraries had the potential to be creepy places, with all the long, narrow corridors of books, cross-walkways and even the potential to reach through a shelf into an adjacent aisle. The records room at the Union County Courthouse was something like a bureaucratic, perhaps Brazil-esque version of this, with rows of small drawers, shelves, and the like.
I immediately became a bit suspicious when, as the team set up their equipment, Grant gave the camera a completely unnecessary explanation about how it's really hard to have cameras pointed at the exact right spot at the exact time something paranormal happens, but they will do their best. Really? After all these years you think we don't understand that yet? After seeing sheetie in the opening montage, I'm having a real hard time believing it's just a coincidence Grant suddenly gives this little speech out of nowhere right before they capture their most interesting video evidence in quite some time. Hmmm…
During the investigation Bruce Tango heard what he believed to be footsteps right behind him a couple of times upstairs in the rotunda, but there seemed to be a possible correlation with Dave snapping pictures with his digital camera. Bruce seemed at first open to the possibility of the sound being an echo of Steve or Dave's footsteps from elsewhere in the large, circular room but the second time he heard the sound no one seemed to be moving — but Dave had only just taken a photograph. I'm wondering if he wasn't actually hearing an echo of the sound made by the camera.
In the records room Jay & Grant had just begun their night when they noticed the door to the room making some odd noises. The noises seemed to happen every time the wind picked up outside, and Jay & Grant theorized that this was the sound one of the guards must have heard and thought the door had opened and closed when it had really just moved slightly due to the wind. Not a bad thought, except I'm pretty sure the guard reported that he came over after hearing the noise and found the door wide open. I don't like half-baked theories that ignore major facts, regardless of whether they're in support of a ghostly explanation or against one.
In one of the courtrooms Kris and Amy both heard a noise and Kris saw a dark shadow pass in front of a locked door… was sheetie making a live appearance? Now, this would be interesting because all of the other times sheetie has been captured on video no one has been around. If sheetie has become bold enough to run through a room where two TAPS investigators are sitting and observing, that definitely would definitely be a new development.
As it turned out, the video TAPS caught of a figure approaching their Mini-DV wasn't in the courtroom with Kris and Amy but it was in a room with two TAPS investigators. Can you believe this image was captured in the records room while Jay and Grant were investigating there? It's truly shocking, and adds a whole new level of credibility to the evidence.
Of course, when we're told Jay & Grant were in the records room at the time we're shown video of them leaning on a counter next to each other and chatting, but I have maybe one or two doubts that someone accurately sync'ed up the time of the anomaly with the other video and showed the audience video of Jay & Grant at the precise moment we see a figure walking towards the mini-DV. I also find it odd that they had multiple IR cameras covering the records room, including an overhead view — and all those other cameras had much better illumination but for some reason this anomaly was caught on only a single camera (as opposed to the overhead with a view of the entire room) and that camera happened to be practically blind in the dark compared with the others.
…but of course these are just circumstantial reasons one might distrust the evidence, nothing concrete. Still, even without prior history of this sort of thing it casts a lot of doubt in my mind as to the origin of the figure in the footage.
Now, during the reveal Grant contended that on the tape the figure seems to turn and walk into/through the records-room equivalent of a long public-library bookshelf. He claimed there was no place a person could have walked and their host agreed, however I think this is a misinterpretation of the evidence. If you look at the video closely you can see a darker vertical area that is the end of the shelf, where this aisle cross-connects with other aisles. To me it seemed pretty clear the figure went into this aisle — but because nearly the entire frame is different shades of black (including the figure) it creates an optical effect that plays tricks on the eyes.
Heck, it's even possible the figure itself might just be caused by the camera itself due to not having enough light to render a proper image. I don't think this is the most likely explanation because it really does look like someone walking in the aisle, but the closer I look, the more it looks like that person is not approaching the camera and walking into a shelf but simply walking down the connecting (perpendicular) aisle. Of course, rather than examining this evidence more closely and noticing these facts, Jay instead noticed how he thinks he sees specific body language in the shadowy blob which leads him to believe it may be female, and therefore could be a specific spirit they had been told haunted the grounds of the courthouse.
Of course, once you convince yourself that the figure essentially walked through a wall then your mind is free to jump to all sorts of interesting additional possibilities, but upon closer examination you can see for yourself that the figure does not walk towards the camera and then turn, as Grant claimed, but actually just walks in a constant motion across the path of the camera, disappearing behind the pillar at the end of the aisle just the way you would expect a living, breathing person to.
Don't worry Grant. I can explain it. It's really quite simple. Do you see that large black area in the center of the frame where the shelves stop? That's the cross-connecting aisle all the way at the end of the aisle you're sitting in for the reveal, the aisle we can clearly see all the way in the background. People can walk down it. Doing so does not qualify as supernatural, you don't have to have super powers, or anything! Really!
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The Doctor @ 8:52 pm
When Steve is calling out the cameras, the last he mentions is the one in the records room - then goes on to say we do have mini-dv in the records room as well ( with the inflection as if it were some different room.)
Curious that he would not just mention them together, like " we have camera 5 covering the records room from above and a mini-dv covering the reverse angle".
Also curious that we don't SEE the mini-dv he mentions in the DVR overhead camera shot.
Further curious that Grant's handheld, which appears to be on and pointed in the right direction at the time, sees nothing of any consequence to rate telling us about yet it's field of view is almost the same as the mini-dv.
I would sure like to see time-synced shots from the minidv, the dvr camera 5, Grant's handheld and the production camera.
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Lar @ 9:06 pm
O.K. I'll be the 1st to say it. They investigate a court house & reveal an entity but I am SUSPECT of their evidence.
Every week it's (near) the same script. The Boys (Tango & Stango) & the Girls (Bruni & Blondie) get to play Ghost Hunter while J&G witness "TRUE," paranomal activity. Same scenario just a different locale.
WHERE ARE THE SECURITY CAMERAS? This is a court house. Are there no security cameras installed? I find it hard to believe in our post 9/11 world there aren't cameras present & if there are, wouldn't one of them capture the ghost that "hanuts," it.
Instead two guys can stand/chat in a room with their camera pointed in the precise direction to capture it for their TV show.
Like Eastern State Penn & other "captures," it doesn't come close to the camera. It stays away instead walking into a wall. When I watched that moment it appears to not go into a wall but instead between the wall & column.
Personally I think it was a production member who figured since it was dark he could quietly sneak out of the picture only to be the picture of the paranormal.
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Nosfer @ 9:07 pm
First, Logisti, is there any way that we can get these discussions all together in one thread (the one that is going full speed in the forums and this one here) this is going to get unwieldy going back and forth again.
Second, The Doctor, I thought the figure captured WAS from Grant's camera, you're right the angle is not only almost the same, it looks like it IS the same. I sometimes wonder if the handheld and minidv terms are used interchangeably. When the Pilgrim camera is filming Jason and Grant leaning on the counter with the camera set on it, there is no other camera seen. The view from that camera is shown as it is set down and I'm almost certain it is the one that captures the figure, not that other minidv that Steve mysteriously mentions during setup.
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The Doctor @ 10:15 pm
Nosfer - That's what seemed strange, Our Techmangler Steve specifically calls out the Mini-DV covering the Records room, yet it is NOT seen in the overhead DVR shot, it is covering basically nothing of note, and Grant picks up the handheld he is normally seen carrying as he leaves.
If it IS the same camera, just why does Steve mention it in the beginning, or why does Grant take it away with him, and just when is it moved to and left in the exact position of the Casper shot ? Grant would have had to luckily change it's angle JUST enough to center Casper perfectly.
… and we still have the question of why the crappy video of a monitor.
If the whole thing was a setup, Grant might have told Steve to include the mini-dv, which could explain his somewhat awkward mentioning of it as an afterthought.
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Lar @ 10:50 pm
It's harder to debunk the paranormal when quality is poor & they really "POORED," awful video for the reveal. The quality was comparable to a weak snowy TV signal. If only the Chief had asked for a (good) quality copy to analyze.
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HipKat @ 7:53 am
Ok, sometimes, I think you guys reach a little far by dissecting the inflection in someone's voice, a change, in this case, in how the equipment layout is presented.
However, a few things about this episode.
First, about a year ago, I dropped cable and I've been watching every episode online, which is adequate. But it means that my 57" Sony HD has been collecting dust watching network TV.
Saturday, I got DirectTV installed, so this is the first time I've watched an episode in HD on a big screen.
Much better experience.
Also, much more obvious how lame the background music is. Annoying, is more like it.
Here's my question. the first time they showed the entity, while going through the evidence, it was pretty clear, but also, I thought it looked just like jay.
When they show it again, in the reveal, it was a totally different resolution, barely perceptible.
What up?? I never saw the revealed evidence look so different than when they discover it.
And thank GOD they didn't try and say the house in NH had any evidence.
That was a lame investigation.
BTW,Kris Williams, in HD, works for me!
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alicat @ 8:08 am
Frankly, we don't actually know whether the "set up" shot was filmed more than once to "get it right" and thus Steve's inflection or even if it was filmed after the investigation in order to give them an opportunity to prove or disprove claims. That is the case in each episode. Although I'd like to believe these are the correct sequence of events as shown, however, from what we've seen with other episodes, I'm not exactly sure the sequence of any of these segments are filmed in order.
I find it curious that no one either here or in the forum has mentioned that Britt was never spoken to or even acknowledged but was along for the ride with a seemingly ticked off/annoyed attitude. Sitting in the back of the van driven by Tango with his Dad upfront, standing around at the "set up" and seen only once briefly going up the stairs with Amy when Jason calls for them to shut down. What a difference between that episode and every other episode he's appeared. And, this was filmed in Elizabeth on or around March 14-15, 2009, just one month before they opened the Inn which brings up an interesting point. Weren't they supposedly doing renovations at the Inn at that time and also supposedly filming "Crossing Over". A very minor point here but interestingly they used stock photos of a Warwick street scene, wearing T-shirts and short sleeve shirts in the office and while packing equipment yet wearing winter jackets on the "ride" to Elizabeth. It was in the mid 40's with lows in the 20's on those days in RI. Just goes to show you can't believe any sequence of events - even the set ups so what does that say about the rest of the show?
HipKat - just an fyi - a discussion was started about this episode in the forum prior to the review column being instituted. The discussion includes the "figure" and the camera issues.
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Nosfer @ 8:13 am
HipKat: "Here's my question. the first time they showed the entity, while going through the evidence, it was pretty clear, but also, I thought it looked just like jay."
See the discussion over in the forums where that suggestion happened to be made as well.
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lar @ 10:43 am
This is all I gotta' say:
1. This needs to be stressed (as the Doctor said), Why don't we see the overhead Records Room camera footage.
2. They manipulate the video quality for only one reason. To confuse you.
3. http://debunkthegunk.blogspot.com/2009/09/debunk-distortion.html
4. Keep DeBunking. Until next Wednesday….
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Nosfer @ 10:52 am
Yes, it is rather odd that Britt is shoved so far into the background. Upon reading one of the articles about this investigation, I was surprised when it said something about vans rolling up and eight investigators getting out. I could only count seven until I was reminded that Britt made a very brief appearance.
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Sully @ 11:47 am
Good points, peeps. Love the "Debunk the Gunk" blog.
Have to admit, the video in the records room had me wondering at first. TAPS could be manipulating the footage as a distracion, as Lars suggests. Or, it could be Pilgrim's editors trying to heighten the drama. I really hope TAPS hasn't reached the stage where they're planting images of full-body apparitions.
One other thing — Warwick really needs to paint that water tower …
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Nosfer @ 12:10 pm
Lar, the overhead camera would not have caught it. Steve is a bit overzealous in his description of the shot, the records room is rather large (as other photos show) and the camera does NOT cover it all, despite his claim.
In your Gunky Debunky (see, I can do it, too) you say it is apparent that it's a "cast or production member in total darkness getting caught by a camera that they didn't see or think would capture them."
That is not apparent at all! Don't you think it is rather unlikely that this would happen (someone completely unawares) just in a spot where the camera was aiming and they would happen to capture it? Rather coincidental, wouldn't it be? Thanks to our previous posts you found the right track, but I think you're just going in the wrong direction.
Where is the other view? They don't show it because it wouldn't show anything. It's in another area of the records room and irrelevant. So your bolded "Here's PROOF" is no proof at all. Yes, Steve's description of the camera coverage appears to be wrong, so the fact that they don't include it means nothing.
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The Doctor @ 12:19 pm
I took a couple more frame captures, and I'm convinced Casper was captured by Grant's handheld … "mini-dv" and "handheld" appear to be interchangeable terms. So -
When he is reviewing the tapes Steve does not think to mention, nor does anyone else mention that it was Grant's handheld that captured the event. Nothing from Grant like " When we came into the room I put my camera down on the table, and we never realized what was going on at the end down there".
Grant even gives us a little speech in the beginning about the odds of having a camera in the right place at the right time, saying that they "will position them in the most appropriate place" - but GOLL LEE - HE just happens to drop HIS camera randomly on the table, yet tweaks its position a bit, at exactly the right place at the right time, and the prepositioned DVR and the OTHER minidv in the same area get nothing.
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Nosfer @ 12:26 pm
I don't think the prepositioned DVR is even in the same area, not from the shot shown of it. Like I said above, that records room looks pretty big from other shots I've seen of it and with the shelves creating aisles and blindspots, there doesn't appear to be any way that the entire room could satisfactorily be captured with only ONE camera.
As for the OTHER minidv, I wonder if it even exists
As for your comment on Grant setting his camera just right like that, I agree, that guy needs to start buying lottery tickets!
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The Doctor @ 12:58 pm
I'm curious as to what the curvy blob on the right edge might be.
You're right, if the reveal is actually in the spot they were sitting during Caspers entrance, then the overhead would not have gotten them - the overhead shows nothing like the line of monitors to the back right. BUT - they might have caught Casper before or after he made his appearance in the row they happened to be in … unless that just happened to be also the ONLY place in the Recods room Casper visited.
I guess it's like Steve puts it as he points to the screen " anything that happens in there we'll get on camera " DUH
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Nosfer @ 1:03 pm
I don't recall what it was, but when you see Pilgrim's footage showing Jason and Grant leaning on the table, you can clearly see the camera and you can also see the object that is making that curvy shape, but I don't know what it is…no access to the footage at the moment. Jason is holding a flashlight, and it is curious that during the investigation, we see footage of the light beam playing around and then you can see that Jason moves down away from the camera…towards the area where the figure comes from later. Jason is walking on the right side, the figure then comes down on the left side.
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Realdeal @ 9:18 pm
That curvy thing is a bottle of hand cleaner that shows up in some shots but not others. Im wondering what this curvey thing is? This still shot is from the reveal. It looks like the letter S on the wall but you can only see it for 2 frames. Looks like some possible Manson epsisode type editing? http://tinypic.com/r/168zqrq/4
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Realdeal @ 10:09 pm
Here's another one that shows something interesting. I guess it could be artifacts from the highlight circle when it was overlayed on the original?? Yea thats what it is. http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=ru02A%2F45RKB5E320d4tlqoh4l5k2TGxc
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Kira @ 11:07 pm
I am surprised none of you caught the thing that, to me, made the "full bodied aparition" obviously fake. When the team was packing up to leave, Grant said something to the effect of, "well we didn't have many experiences here, but who knows, maybe when we look at the tapes we will see the lady walking around in here." Now I have never heard any of them say after a pretty quiet investigation that maybe, just maybe they might have something on video (which rarely ever happens).
At that point I turned to my husband and said, "If they show a ghost of that woman walking around in there after he says that, its gotta be fake and he feels guilty."
And wouldn't ya know it, there it was. Not at all a shock. ANd the ghost kinda looked to me like it had a v-neck on.
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Realdeal @ 11:42 pm
Sorry about the bad link above this one should work http://tinypic.com/a/1at8n/2
I only saw the S in the clip they show at the reveal that is highlighted. I know when using ir the edges of the picture can make some strange artifacts especially just outside the range of the ir light but I have never seen the type showing up in these stills. Wonder why they didn't want to get the video analyzed by an expert like they did with the chair and the Eastern State video???
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alicat @ 9:16 am
@ Kira: "Now I have never heard any of them say after a pretty quiet investigation that maybe, just maybe they might have something on video (which rarely ever happens)."
Frankly, I've heard them say that any number of times so I was absolutely not surprised to hear it again. That's really nothing new.
As far as the V-neck on the "ghost", several individuals were wearing v-neck pullovers and Jason was wearing the same as that seen in the footage "caught" on camera.
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Nosfer @ 9:30 am
@Kira…and even if that had been the first time they ever said that (and it wasn't as Alicat says) it would not mean that the image was "obviously fake."
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Kilroy @ 10:07 am
Kira, I have heard them say things like that a couple of times through out the series. In fact I think they say it after almost every quiet investigation.
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Kilroy @ 10:15 am
If you watch the few reveal the first time they show the footage at the reveal the quality is fine, its when he keeps replaying it is when it gets fuzzy. I don't know what could have caused it but a couple of times when I was filming and I would film the TV set in the shot, the TV would be fuzzy or have lines going through it. I don't know if that is the reason or not b/c I have had TV sets in the shot and they would appear perfectly fine, but it is a possibility.
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Nosfer @ 10:33 am
@Kilroy…discussion on quality also in the forums…the most elegant solution though is not to film the TV but to splice in the ACTUAL footage that was captured so we can see it "as is" What a novel concept that would be, huh!!!
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TasCat @ 11:50 am
As I said in the forum, there are two white columns in the bookcases, right after the second one back, as also someone else noticed in the forum, there is an aisle that leads to another row of bookcases or area for microfiche. As well, in the main aisle where the tables are, if you look closely, there is room further back past that second column, where a person could stand out of range of the camera, walk towards it, then duck into the aisle/passageway to our left or it's right, and disappear. I have looked at this several times on my hdtv on the dvr, and it looks to me that the "ghost" turns right into this aisle, right before the second column. And as for appearing female, both my Mother and I, (not me and Mom, in old "Jay and Grant speak" before English lessons), both said it looks like a male figure. It was awful broad to be a female, and how they could determine it's demeanor in that light and camera footage, is beyond me. But it seems strange that this obvious exit, that Jay and Grant, denied existed, isn't pointed out more and that the columns being used as a gauge as well. For those of you who still have it recorded, check that out, the figure appears to duck into the aisle right after the second white column, where there is a moveable podium placed in the reveal. And again, it seems rather broad in stature to be female, you would think thin at the top with a skirt at the bottom, as was the dress back then, but this appears to be consistantly broad. I don't know, maybe it's just me….I am going to check yet again. This one bothers me, supposed to be their "Holy Grail" and they are rather blase about it. (sorry, don't know the alt-# for the accented "e").
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Judy Holiday @ 1:37 pm
The first thing that I thought when they showed the footage of the "ghost"was that it looked like Jay.I even checked to see what kind of jacket he had on and it was a white pullover.To me it looked like whoever it was walked in between the columns and I was thinking why not get up and investigate closer but no they just sat there looking back and saying there is no way anyone could walk thru that area.That really bugged me because they should have gone back there and proved to the viewers that everything was legit.I swear that looked like Jay.(lol!)
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Judy Holiday @ 1:45 pm
Kira, I thought the same thing about how Grant made the comment about catching something walking around and boom! there it was.I was not surprised to see it on camera it was like a subtle lead on as to what was gonna happen.I was totally expecting it.
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Kira @ 2:08 pm
Ya know, there's another thing that perplexed me about this case. The guest investigator, I forget his name, isn't he from California? As I recall, he helped on the "Manson" case when the team went out west, and appeared to show the team how to use the K2 meter (with his thumb on the power button) to "communicate" with the ghosts. Of course, I am sure you are all familiar with the debunking of this instance of "communication". So anyhow, this at least means the guy is dishonest, and in on the trickery. After the show I wondered for a while why this guest would fly 8 hours to investigate a courthouse, and they gave him so little air time. Maybe they needed him to be a ghost?
Someone let me know if I have mixed all the faces up… I dont have any of the shows recorded.
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Nosfer @ 2:22 pm
Kira, you have faces mixed up. The guest investigator was Tango's father (only appeared one other episode) The other less-seen investigator that was there Was Britt who came on the scene WELL AFTER the Manson episode. Neither Britt nor Bruce (Tango's father) seemed the right build to me.
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The Doctor @ 2:58 pm
For those that haven't seen it, here's a clip showing just how much class our GH team has, and how far Britt is willing to go to make a good impression on his first hunt.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=47664399
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alicat @ 4:06 pm
Kira, in addition, it was clearly stated that Bruce Tango is from New Jersey and he worked in Elizabeth as a police officer which we heard reiterated various times during the filming from the very beginning of the episode throughout the investigation by Grant, Jason, Steve, Dave and Bruce Tango. He was introduced in the same fashion in the only other episode he filmed which was set at the Mt. Holly Prison located in Mt. Holly, NJ entitled "Two to Tango".
Although he considers himself an amateur ghost hunter, apparently he is now "cashing in" on his GH fame by making special appearances. http://www.theredmill.org/events/calendar
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Judy Holiday @ 11:30 pm
Wasn't Chris Flemming part of the Manson investigation?and wasn't he the one who first introduced J/G to the K-2 meter? I remembering thinking "yeah right" I have a hard time with the K-2 meter it just doesn't feel right to me. (lol)
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alicat @ 7:10 am
Judy,
Yes but I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Fleming has nothing to do with this investigation. Please explain.
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Judy Holiday @ 11:32 am
I was refering to Kira's post about about not remembering the guest investigator on the Manson case.I thought it was Chris Flemming and that he was the one to first introduce the k-2 meter to the team.I know he has nothing to do with this case.I was just wanting to make sure that I answered her correctly.Sorry for not being more clear in my post.I work 3rd shift and sometimes I ramble lol!
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TasCat @ 12:44 pm
Last night I did look at the footage again, and one thing I have to agree with those above, it looks like Jay in his usual white pullover with the hood at the back. The figure is very broad, not thin at the top and with a dress that would spread out at the bottom, so how they state it's a female is beyond me. I also couldn't see any point where the figure appeared to "pull a shawl" around itself.
I also have to say that I stand by what I said about it ducking into the aisle right after the second column. You can tell that there is more space in that direction by:
1. Half a rollable speaking podium showing the other half behind the column, you can see this in the lit footage in the reveal.
2. Also in the reveal, if you look towards the back at the horizontal bookcases where the potted plants are sitting on them, you can see where half of the row of books is showing, the other half disappearing into that area, ie. that bookcase continues to the left. I wish I could post footage of the HD video I have, but our cable company is one of those that put a "copyright" block on all the channels to prevent people from recording to dvd. Some just block the premium channels, ours blocks all the channels from being recorded, except onto their DVR's, which you have to rent of course.
3. You can see the reflection of the what appears to be a thermostat on the first column as it juts out a bit, this is visible in the reveal as well, giving a good perspective like the sheet in the Eastern State Penitentiary episode.
4. At the reveal, if you look over the top of the line of bookcases where the appirition appeared to go, you also can see there is more room back there, another line of books, etc.
5. I zoomed and did slo-mo forward and backwards of the apparition, and it does appear to duck into the aisle past the second column, maybe someone will post this on youtube in HD mode. To me, it comes from the right, maybe out of the darkness of the right aisle, then turns, walks towards the left aisle, and then ducks as it passes past the second column. And I swear I see that pullover hood dangling down on it's back as it turns, and I don't know how the stature of the "White Lady" was, but this apparition appeared a bit husky.
Now as for the dialogue, we already know that in the Louisiana episode prior, backed up by members of the Southern Louisiana Paranormal Team, that the door moving in that episode was taped at TAPS headquarters. So dubbing over that video would be pretty easy, (of Jason and Grant talking), so Jason may have been the person/apparition caught, who knows, just speculation on my part, but it sure looks like him when zoomed. We will never know, unless someone breaks the "code of silence" they have enforced. I think it might be possible that former members left not by the reasons stated, but maybe they didn't want to be a part of any funny business. I know if I was able and was a member of a team, who really wanted to find the truth and have the team leaders take such a turn into producing false evidence, I would leave. But that's me, and I'm not saying this is why anyone left. They have really slipped up before, it will catch up with them sooner or later. I don't even mind they aren't really plumbers for the television standpoint, this gives them a sponsor and they don't have to put up with people (at the beginning) bugging them at their real jobs at the time. But that just turned into them into walking down a very slippery slope when money is involved and fame. But such is the nature of the beast.
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Nosfer @ 1:00 pm
TasCat: "Now as for the dialogue, we already know that in the Louisiana episode prior, backed up by members of the Southern Louisiana Paranormal Team, that the door moving in that episode was taped at TAPS headquarters."
Are you saying the footage of that door was not the client's door but just a door at TAPS headquarters that they spliced in? I have not heard that one…do you have a source for that?
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TasCat @ 2:28 pm
Yes, here is an interview Pam Gates Hoyt of South Louisiana did with blog-owner, she was the psychic in the episode who "smelt death" at the Deville house, she describes the whole production fiasco.
http://theouijaboard.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/first-you-make-a-roux/
As you can see, the post is just over a year old, I found mention of it on the "Scy-Fy" board I believe, in Mr. Leigh MacNeil's defense of his wife and home in that episode's thread. Again, I cannot account for it's veracity, I am going to compare doors (I still have the episode on DVR) I guess it was Bruce Deville's brother who noticed. Oh well, you will see when you read, the production description sounds consistant with what else I have read about it.
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TasCat @ 3:03 pm
Okay, having looking at the episode again, the door they refer to as not being the same door in the episode, is when Jason tries to "debunk" the door moving. It shows them driving to the Deville House and Jason describing how he really wants to get a look at the door again, but the door it shows Jason moving back and forth, talking about moisture and such, is NOT the door in the episode, there is no window above the door it's just totally different, so I guess there is truth to the person being interviewed that the door they show while supposedly at the Deville House to do the reveal, is a door somewhere else, whether in their office at the time or not, I do not know, but it is indeed not the same door, but a segment spliced in trying to make it look like the same door. He is very careful not to show the inside of the room or anything but the door and doorjam, but they miss the fact the window should be on top of the door. Why they did this, I don't know.
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Nosfer @ 3:05 pm
Thanks TasCat, I'll check out my episode and see what I see.
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The Doctor @ 4:13 pm
Jason's door is also on an inside corner of the room
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alicat @ 4:14 pm
Nosfer,
Bullerspoke actually started a forum discussion about this last year.
http://www.skepticalviewer.com/forums/ghost-hunters/deville-door-debunking/page-1
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