August 26, 2009
GH: Samuel Mudd House
I can see from the number of comments already that this episode is a real conversation-starter. It starts out dull enough though, and I'd like to focus on some of the minutia we're subjected to early on. For instance, in the vans on the way to the investigation site we see Jay & Kris talking by radio. This isn't anything new, but I notice we're seeing less and less of Steve & Tango. Also, now Kris is driving one of the vehicles, yet still working the walkie. So basically, Jay is driving and talking on the walkie while Grant sits next to him doing nothing, and Amy is driving and also simultaneously working a walkie while Amy sits next to her, also doing nothing and looking quite bored for it.
Maybe this isn't the takeaway most people are going to come up with, but wouldn't it be safer for all involved if Grant and Amy were the ones talking on the walkie? Or if Jay and Kris are being showcased, then maybe Grant and Amy should drive — you know, so no one accidentally drives off a cliff while trying to simultaneously manipulate a steering wheel and a walkie talkie. Where I live it's illegal to drive while talking on a cellphone (assuming you're holding the phone in your hand) because it's seriously that dangerous/distracting, and those are slightly easier to hold while driving than the big, chunkie walkies TAPS has. Or maybe we could go the complete other way on this and have Jay & Kris text each other while driving.
Another deceiving event was a camera battery drain early in the night. That really had me thinking we were in for something truly mundane. Shortly after the battery drain Jay started saying he felt a static charge in the air, and not to be outdone Grant claimed something slapped his hand. They both found what they agreed was a pocket of humid, electrically charged air — unfortunately there is no way to measure such things… oh wait, yes there is and GHI actually has all the equipment necessary. If only Ghost Hunters had a budget one fraction the size of their less popular spin-off, so they could afford to buy proper equipment. Unfortunately, Jay & Grant only make enough money to purchase a 36 room Inn.
We are briefly treated to Steve and Tango finding absolutely nothing of interest before popping over to Kris & Amy, who discover that absolutely nothing of interest is also going on in the attic. While they are up in the attic though, Kris mentions a story about one of the coat racks falling over and then "thrashing around" on the ground. Amy points out that the particular racks they had aren't meant to hold nearly as many clothes as people tend to jam onto them, and therefore they have a tendency to become unstable and potentially fall over. Kris agreed, but pointed out that still didn't explain the "thrashing around" once the rack was on the floor. She can be excused perhaps because she likely got her information from someone else; Grant mentioned the same details of the story during the reveal.
In fact, what the person who actually experienced the event said was that one of the clothing racks was "pushed to the ground" and that it had "turned over violently". Maybe he meant it turned over violently once it was on the ground, but from the way the man explained (he was interviewed directly), it really seemed to me he was describing the same singular event in two different ways. First he says it was pushed to the ground, and then to emphasize the force with which it was "pushed" he says it "turned over" violently. In other words, if I am understanding him correctly, the rack was "pushed to the ground" and the rack "turned over" are simply two different ways of describing the same event of the rack falling over. If that is the case then there was no "thrashing around on the floor", so Amy's explanation makes perfect sense. Instead of putting Amy on the scoreboard for a solid debunk here, Kris and Grant instead push hard against a detail of the event which I think was misunderstood.
Of course, right about here is where the investigation gets really exciting. As Jason & Grant are walking out in the yard someone wearing what appeared to be a hooded sweatshirt runs by the thermal camera. The figure ran by from right-to-left and Jay makes sure he drives the point home that he "panned left" after the figure ran by and no one was there. Did you catch that folks? He "panned left". Maybe I'm just an oddball but if I see someone run right in front of my thermal camera I'm not going to "pan left", I'm going to turn my entire body left and then repeatedly sweep the area now in front of me with the thermal imaging camera. But no, what Jason did is turn the camera perhaps 45 degrees to the left, and then bring it back to center. That says two things to me: the camera did not turn far enough to see the area I would expect this figure to be after passing the camera, and considering this decided lack of searching to find the guy who just ran in front of the camera it seems fairly clear that Jay put less than zero effort into debunking the event.
By less than zero, I mean he did nearly nothing (just moved the camera slightly to the left) and then repeatedly made a big deal about how he "panned left" so therefore he would have caught the person running away if it were a real person. That's just plain dishonest; he did not react at all to that figure running in front of his camera the way a normal person would, almost as if he actively wanted to avoid catching the person in the act, but still claiming credit he attempted to and no one was there to catch. Grant also says there's no way they could have missed a living person walking right in front of them, but then he says to Jay they would have at least heard the person. That seemed odd to me, because they were outside; they must have had a decent amount of light to see with, from stars, moon, streetlamps, etc — especially for guys who are used to walking around in near pitch-dark conditions inside buildings. So basically, they should have been able to see if someone ran in front of them… I don't think anyone would dispute that, so I'm wondering why Grant seemed to suggest that but then back away and say they would have at least heard the person. I don't know what, if anything, the inconsistency means but inconsistencies like that never smell good and always beg a closer look.
Jay also says to Grant that there was no heat signature on the ground. Now we've crossed over into completely-made-up-world. We do not see Jay panning the FLIR along the ground where the figure ran past, so immediately it's a little suspect he says this — but maybe Pilgrim just left that piece of footage out. The original footage definitely doesn't count though because we only see the figure from the waist up. The ground was definitely not in frame. Also, he ran past at high speed, followed by Jay "panning" left — and then back right — and then all the way right to Grant. If someone running by that quickly even left a thermal signature that could be seen by their camera, wouldn't it be gone after just a couple of seconds? If he went back 2 minutes later to look at the ground and noticed there were no thermal footprints, that would absolutely not prove to me that someone hadn't run by.
Jay then records an experiment with Grant walking, and proceeds to assert Grant left thermal footprints. Frankly, I didn't even see a thermal signature on the ground where Grant had been standing much less where he walked past, and if there was a thermal signature then it was very light and must have faded quickly, bringing me back to my earlier point. Another way of putting that is: Jay went beyond "not understanding" science. After seeing the experiment with Grant it's very clear to me that he's either deliberately misrepresenting the facts — saying something is true even though the video proves it is not — or else he is deeply delusional. Along with this "panned left" nonsense I'm going to lean towards the former; the video shows fairly clearly he didn't turn anywhere close to 90 degrees left, which is approximately where one would expect the figure to be after passing them.
In fact, by the end of the investigation Jay & Grant were giving me a very Scooby-Doo vibe, although I wasn't sure if they were Scooby & Shaggy or the mean old hotel owners who were projecting holograms to scare off the riff-raff. If only it weren't for those meddling kids, they would have gotten away with it, too. Grant actually felt the need to point out that when Jay stopped "panning left" and came back right, we see him on the thermal behind and to the right of Jay. Considering the flack he's been (I would say deservedly) getting it's completely understandable he would want to exonerate himself — and the figure that runs by the camera doesn't look like he's wearing the same sweater as Grant anyway. I hadn't even considered the person who ran in front of the camera might have been Grant until he pointed out where he was on the tape. Non-matching sweaters aside for the moment, it's easily conceivable that Grant could in a circle from where he was standing, past Jay and the camera, around Jay's left side as Jay "panned left" and then behind Jay and right back where he'd been standing in plenty of time for Jay to bring the camera back and "prove" it couldn't have been Grant.
I mean, seriously — the fact that the figure on the thermal seemed to be wearing a hood was good enough for me to rule Grant out as a suspect, but then when I see for no apparent reason Jay not only fails to turn the camera far enough left to catch any potential perpetrator, but then also brings the camera all the way back right and points it at Grant for no apparent reason, now all of a sudden it looks like someone was manufacturing an alibi and I have to reconsider the possibility that maybe it was Grant after all and maybe he just pulled his sweater over his head or something. I dunno, but when Grant did his 'look, see I was standing all the way over there so it wasn't me' thing during the Reveal that just set off all sorts of warning bells in my head.
Perhaps the funniest insight of all was when Grant said that usually they get "atypical" thermal hits, but this one was odd because it looked like someone just walked in front of them. Nicely done, sir! In other words, "I know it totally looks like some dude walked in front of us, and not at all like a ghost — but that's what makes it so WEIRD!" Also, remember all those "atypical" thermal hits? Like the dude walking past the camera in that fort, or the dude leaning out and peering around the corner, or the dude standing next to an old stove down a corridor, or the dude who was rounding the corridors of that old Navy ship just ahead of them, always just out of sight? I guess those are all the exceptions that prove the "usually atypical" rule, because those thermal images — and by my recollection, the vast majority of all thermal images they've captured — looked like a living, breathing, dude.
During the evidence analysis Dave Tango did have a pretty good debunk. There seemed to be a sphere floating briefly above the pillows on the bed John Wilkes Booth once laid in — something about it seemed distinctly man-made to me, the way it appeared and disappeared, but I couldn't at all place it or justify that gut feeling — Dave was able to determine it was likely a reflection from a flashlight, so I applaud him for that. If not for him I'd be left here to grudgingly admit I had no rational explanation for (what appeared to be) the floating sphere, no matter what my gut said.
There was also one EVP caught, perhaps not surprisingly while Jay & Grant were in the room. I say not surprisingly because a lot of things seem to happen around Jay & Grant and no one else. A while back there were a rash of audible voices (non EVPs) which many believed to be played from a handheld recorder most likely in the possession of Grant. The voices were never heard around anyone else until just this past episode when we heard something similar in the basement with Kris & Amy (if it is hoaxing, they didn't necessarily know about it). My best guess is that this "EVP" could have been a pre-recorded audio clip played back during Jay & Grant's EVP session and they (and their camera operator) simply could pretend not to hear it when it happened. Conspiracy? Yes, well at this point in a post collar-gate world I don't think the possibility of a Jay/Grant/Cameraman conspiracy is all that far-fetched.
What really got me was that Grant asserted fairly strongly that the voice had said "I am not guilty". This entire investigation, based in the house of Dr. Samuel Mudd who was (some would say unfairly) convicted of being part of the conspiracy to assassinate Abraham Lincoln, has touched upon the Doctor's potential non-guilt, so it seemed almost too perfect to have that as an EVP. In particular, the pacing of the syllables seemed to me that of a computer-generated voice. What was more bizarre though was that Grant immediately played down the possibility that the voice was Mudd's and repeatedly said they can't be sure who might be saying they aren't guilty, or what it might be in reference to. I mean, REALLY? The entire night everyone has been talking about this one guy not being guilty, you get an EVP saying "I am not guilty" and suddenly you're hesitant to even suggest it might be the same man?
Does Grant think that playing coy like that will downplay how blatantly obvious this evidence plant was? Apparently, because right after playing coy and saying they have no idea who might be saying they aren't guilty or what they're referring to, on the car ride out Grant says it's "fun to let our minds wander" on who said it and why, and Jay quickly agreed. Yes — we absolutely don't want to suggest this might be an EVP from Dr. Mudd, don't even think that because we have no idea who it is, but it's fun to let our minds wander to the idea that this was an EVP from Dr. Mudd. No, not too obvious at all, boys.
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Comments on GH: Samuel Mudd House »
Oubliette @ 12:38 am
Just two thoughts about this episode as it's very late:
1. Never noticed that Jason has a tattoo of the chess piece for the King on the inside of his wrist. How very humble of him.
2. That thermal – slowed it down, watched frame by frame, but even looking at it at normal speed: Person hunched over with something on his/her head. I swear I can see the outline of an elbow and the edge of a t-shirt on the right arm. But it's late, I'm tired but that sure looked like a very real human to me, despite Grant's insistence that anyone there would have been noticed. Or edited out, Grant?
Night, all.
Revenant @ 2:30 am
Oubliette-"But it's late, I'm tired but that sure looked like a very real human to me, despite Grant's insistence that anyone there would have been noticed. Or edited out, Grant?"
At very first glance, I thought it was Kris trying to get out of the way of the shot. And I'm not sure if I liked their "debunking" of the lack of visible footprints either. I'm going to have to take another good look at that whole thing.
The Doctor @ 3:32 am
1) I bel;ieve Grant has a matching "king" tat and their bar is called the 2 kings pub … how sweet
2)What to say ? … Techmangler Steve should have synced up the production video and ended that mystery real quick – I suspect Jay gave him a direct order that that was never gonna happen.
I think this is in the running for the absolute weakest "evidence" ever presented for a location Jay can "definitely say there is some sort of a haunting"
StanTheMan @ 7:28 am
I wonder if their wives have queens on their wrists. Brian and Andy would have pawns.
I thought it was one of the men from the crew who had made a pit stop in the woods and was returning to the truck. One of the dynamic duo said they panned to the where the truck was.
Oubliette @ 7:34 am
It sure looked like someone trying to get out of the way, fast. But why run right in front of them? That's the only question that comes to my mind.
Interesting that Revenant should mention Kris. On the TAPS board, someone wrote that it looked like her hair.
But again, the above applies. Why not just wait for them to pass or run the other way?
All I know is that, IMO, that was a very solid human. You can run but you can't hide on our 35" Mitsubishi CRT TV coupled with the DVD-R using very slow playback. Advancing frame by frame on that screen can be very telling
blinddog50 @ 7:55 am
The comment was made that the figure looked as if it was wearing a bonnet.
Maybe it was curly hair and who had curly hair in this episode?
Who is always shadowing J&G while Amy is at 'Command Central'?
When Jay said, and as we saw, that when he saw the figure that he did a sweep with the thermal cam.
Awfully small arc there Jay, maybe 45 degrees at the most.
First season I watched this show for the off chance I might see a ghostie.
The other seasons I watched for the humor and the opportunity to see Grant pull a stunt.
This season isn't funny, the locations are poorly chosen.
I least give me a unique location to look at while they continue with their buffoonery.
Hell, last night I enjoyed seeing Rob Zombie shill his new movie more than I did watching the GH Traveling Snake Oil Show.
blinddog50 @ 8:00 am
Oubliette,
You beat me to the hair comment.
I have to type slow for people that can't read fast.
TP @ 8:11 am
Total BS. All the "entity" had to do was run by and take a quick left and hide directly behind J and G.
How they labeled that place haunted last night is beyond me.
I will still watch, only to come here afterward to chuckle.
Nosfer @ 8:11 am
Clothes rack. Look how easily disinformation gets put around. The re-enactor says, and I quote:
"And there was a clothing rack just behind me. That clothing rack was pushed to the ground, totally turned over violently, and right after that I left the room."
Where, then, does the story of it thrashing around on the ground afterward come in? Both Kris and Grant mention this but based upon what? And the client did not correct Grant when he indicated that he had no explanation for the thrashing after it was on the ground.
On that note, and we've discussed this before, why does Amy not know anything but Kris does? Client tells J&G&S, S tells T&K, K tells A during investigation?
If this were a proper investigation, the team would be briefed after the tour and the non-tour members would all be brought up to speed at the same time. Less chance of the telephone phenomenon.
Nosfer @ 8:14 am
From Revenant: "And I'm not sure if I liked their "debunking" of the lack of visible footprints either. I'm going to have to take another good look at that whole thing."
Oh me either! I've done several experiments with footprints and temperature, as you know, and I wasn't impressed!
Nosfer @ 8:28 am
Okay, not sure what it means, but:
At 1:10:16 in the thermal footage, take a look at the emissivity setting (the e=0.95 text). It shifts to the left noticeably. The battery indicator and the time stay where they are. It doesn't really make sense in the way it did in the Manson episode, but it is odd nonetheless. It takes place during the second of 16 so it's not as if a digit change took up space-slack. It also doesn't shift between more noticeable digit numbers so it should stay in a fixed location.
alicat @ 9:34 am
My guess as well is Kris Williams in that thermal but I like StanTheMan's explanation as well. As I've said in the past, Jason and Grant have never given any reason to believe them. In fact, quite the opposite. So, when Grant says someone ran past them and they didn't hear anything, I'm not believing that for one second. To me they were merely acting a convenient "take" to be edited in later which I think they do for every episode now. It's like shooting two different endings to a movie. And, as we all know, they can edit this show in any way they want to make you believe whatever they want you to believe.
Oubliette asked "Why run in front of them?" You actually answered your own question in your first post. Editing. Any crew or cast could walk by and know they would be edited in or out.
BD50 mentioned the thermal "sweep" Jason supposedly did. Frankly, I didn't buy Jason's explanation that he "panned the camera and quickly to the left". Didn't look like a quick pan to the left to me until they conveniently showed a longer "version" of a thermal footage to the client.
Nosfer, I knew you'd be on the lack of visible footprints comment. I didn't see any visible footprints on the thermal from Grant walking back to Jason although Jason claims he was seeing Grant's footprints. And yes, the thread of the clothing rack went from the re-enactor saying it fell, I left the room, to Kris' it fell and thrashed around violently to Grant reinforcing Kris' comment was inexcusable. Yet, as pointed out, the disinformation and exaggerations added/deleted to/from these stories, is getting even worse from week to week, likewise the acting. Pretty soon, we'll be wondering if it's really Jason and Grant at the investigation. I'm still wondering how they are going to explain Jason's one week vacation on camera. Interestingly enough they were in the VA/DC area when that was filmed back in May. Hmmm…..
All in all, calling this a "haunting" because of two pieces of evidence – the EVP which was totally unbelievable to the thermal figure was unbelievable. How desperate are they? Obviously they told the woman what she wanted to hear. Jason and Grant, with somewhat straight faces in the closing, calling this case "incredible", "excellent" and "great" was very sad and rather telling of the future if this was the bar they set for themselves.
Nosfer @ 9:58 am
Interesting comment, too, that they made about how their thermal hits don't look like humans:
"We've caught a lot of images on the thermal imaging camera, and they look atypical, this looks like a person walking in front of us"
Fort Delaware, anyone?
Alicat, I agree…the EVP did not come across to me as "I am not guilty" The client sure couldn't tell what it was until conveniently told and then "oh, yeah"
This has deeper undertones…by giving the EVP as "I am not guilty" they are putting out a version of history. Mudd was given a presidential pardon way after the fact (by Carter(?)) but his innocence is by no means proven. Nor is his guilt, which makes episodes like this rather distasteful to me from a historical standpoint.
Note: Both Carter and Reagan made statements on this…in addition to the original pardon by Johnson.
HollyDolly @ 10:27 am
Didn't know they had a pub,Doctor.Is it part of the Spaulding Inn?
StanTheMan @ 10:38 am
My big question – was the thermal walk through an accident or intentional. I don't have a tape of it but I think this was late in the investigation. By chance did they realize they had nothing so they had it set up that someone would walk in front of them when they first came out of the house. Grant was very quick to say he was setting up his camera, he seemed too quick with his I wasn'y looking. I also wondered why they didn't immediately head in the direction the "spirit" was going. They see the most amazing thing they claim to catch on the thermal and don't try to follow it.
alicat @ 10:53 am
I totally agree with you on the historical standpoint. I even cringed when Steve tried to provoke saying this was the last chance to clear the Mudd name. You have to wonder what the author and historian, Michael Kauffman, truly thought after he saw the airing of the episode last night. I also thought it was in extremely poor taste that immediately after Kauffman finishes a very well spoken and interesting history of Dr. Mudd ending in his death in 1882, they follow it with a cut of Jason in t-shirt and jeans saying "So we hear there's some paranormal activity that goes on in here." Bad segue.
Oh, and by the way, I didn't know that Techmangler Steve was such a furniture expert. Rocking chairs back then were pretty low to the ground so the center of gravity would also be lower but they are all in all, from what I've seen, pretty much just a scaled down version. I didn't think there was any more or less floor space for the runners. Longer, flatter runners just give the rocking chair a gentler motion, longer tails keep it from tipping over and uneven runners will walk a chair across a room. Here's a quote from a master woodworker's website:
"An exasperating rocking chair would be one that walks while rocking or a "walking rocker". Walking while rocking is an irritating experience some rocking chairs exhibit by advancing forward or backwards maybe sideway off their original placement."
Oubliette @ 12:48 pm
I fully admit I "borrowed" these images from another website.
The more I view this, the more I am convinced (as are many people throughout different boards) that it was someone with 1) a jacket pulled over his/her head or 2) someone with a hoodie pulled higher up to cover the face.
In this first image, note the folds in what would be the jacket:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/EBathory/FLIR28-26-09.jpg
Here's my poorly done addition of text showing where the jacket ends and also the sleeve of a t-shirt:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/EBathory/FLIR8-26-09-1.jpg
Don't know if these links will work. Thought I'd give it a try.
Learjet @ 1:26 pm
It's sheetie in thermal Lol.
As I mentioned in the wrong thread, I reckon the camera is stuffed. It suffered a freeze frame attack when J went looking for the person, as it did the previous week. remember the "burn in" image? Could thermal sheetie actually be a crew member passing by earlier that was held in the frame buffer? I think the camera is faulty.
Oubliette @ 1:30 pm
Courtesy of someone on the SyFy forum:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/EBathory/Cornholio.jpg
Learjet @ 1:32 pm
HAHAHAHAHA! That's him!