I have come to believe that ghosts may be attracted by horrendous interior decorating.

So…let me see if I have this straight…

A ghost is an unproven theory. A demon is an unproven theory. J&G's theory was that a ghost was pretending to be a demon? Is that what I was hearing? Is that what they're going with?

You know…when I watch GH, I try to be objective. I really do. I try to let some of the weirdness go and just look at the evidence presented. Yet…there has to be a certain point where I have to ask myself "Why am I watching this?" When the "oh, it must be a ghost pretending to be a demon" theory is launched at me, what should my response be? "Yes…that is a very reasonable and logical assumption" doesn't exactly come to mind. What was my actual response? It was a kind of mix between stunned silence and a couple of whispered profanities.

What came to mind actually was the "Crossover" episode when Robb referred to J&G as "hardcore skeptics." Yes. Absolutely. Only a hardcore skeptic would come to the conclusion that a ghost was pretending to be a demon. It's so obvious now. Because only hardcore skeptics would assume that ghosts are real without solid evidence and would also assume that demons are real without solid evidence. And only hardcore skeptics would even consider not only knowing the very nature of ghosts and demons, but also know when the ghosts are "tricking" them. Yes. Hardcore skeptics indeed…

Seriously…are people actually buying this?

Rev, you are forgetting the heart of most paranormal investigations.
The Chucky E. Cheese String Theory of Ghost Hunting.
Two things unproven = one thing proven.

What was all that talk about their demon experiences, flying objects, smashed hands, flipping tables, refrigerators pulled from the walls.
If you can get those kind of results from demons, I think it's time to drop GH and go with just Demon Hunters.

Apparently, they don't look at the interweb to see what people complain about and thus change their show.

The stupid plumbing commercials continue (Maybe it's a contract thing, I still don't like it)

The stupid K2 conversations (Why can't Grant EVER show both his hands?)

There are only 3 other members there, why can't they all go on the tour, so we don't have to listen to Steve tell Tango crap we already know?

Must they show us turn every friggin light off in the whole house? AND WHY ARE THEY ALL ON? DON'T THESE PEOPLE THINK GREEN?

Sorry to rant, I was expecting alot more from this episode. Spectral Attack? pfffft

I was hoping there was a demon and them angering it was going to work. I was picturing thermals of Jason bouncing off the walls of the small crawl space, Grant having the K2 forced into his mouth or other body area and Steve having huge spiders crawling all over him. Instead it was just a cat ghost.

Let's see… a possibly manufactured EVP that sounds like someone used too many filters on in audio editing software to cover up it being fabricated (the "please help me" one); more K2 krap (see what I did there, using a k instead of a c ); and unproven theory on top of unproven theory that they treat as fact, as Rev pointed out above.

Yep, Ghost Hunters is back!

As for the scratches on Jason's calf, they should have taken a color photo of it so we could tell more about it. If they are scratches they don't look that impressive. I thought they kind of looked like sock markings myself.

Also, did anyone else notice that when they played the long version of the German language EVP that the place where the alleged EVP starts suddenly gets louder than the audio right before it? It's as if someone did a bad mixing-in job with audio software. Either that or the editors decided to boost the volume right at that specific point for the viewing audience.

I have not spent much time watching either GH or GHI since last year's Halloween debacle showcased the lack of integrity in hunting by this crew of bozos. Actually, I only watched GHI for the locations. I didn't give a rip about any pretend investigation.

That is the reason I flipped to the station to try to watch GH last night: I was curious about the locations. It was benignly enjoyable until Grant started spouting that utter nonsense. I couldn't believe he could do that with a straightface. Does he actually believe that BS? I can't believe they say what they do with any sense of authority.

They have lost so much credibility this show is as bad and as useless as Most Haunted with the difference being: that MH does not harm homeowners. GH's nonsense can hurt homeowners who may be having real problems. There are no solutions to be found with the GH bozos.

Right now I am giving Ghost Adventures more credit and a higher integrity factor than TAPS. TAPS = down the flusher.

Blinddog- "What was all that talk about their demon experiences, flying objects, smashed hands, flipping tables, refrigerators pulled from the walls."

Yes, I thought the same thing. Too bad all of that happened before the invention of the video camera…

TP- "There are only 3 other members there, why can't they all go on the tour, so we don't have to listen to Steve tell Tango crap we already know?"

There are only two reasons that I can come up with. The first reason is simply some camera time for "Stango" since they rarely produce any evidence themselves. The second reason, well, the more that the viewing audience is told a story, the more likely they are to believe it. Remember, Steve's rendition of the story to Tango is actually the third time we hear it. Don't forget that Kris sets up the story at the start of the investigations. Say it enough times and it "must" be true…

J.- "As for the scratches on Jason's calf, they should have taken a color photo of it so we could tell more about it. If they are scratches they don't look that impressive. I thought they kind of looked like sock markings myself."

Yes, odd wasn't it? In the past, we have seen Jason get scratched on his back and they made a huge, big deal out of it. With this, they showed his leg in the dark and that was about it. In the past season of GA, Aaron was also supposedly scratched in the same area of the leg. It makes one wonder about these scratch marks. If a ghost, or a ghost pretending to be a demon, or a demon was scratching someone in order to scare them or make them leave, why not go for the face? Wouldn't that be the most threatening gesture? Yet…I don't recall anyone being scratched on the face in any show. Always the lower leg and back. Very strange…

Well I haven't seen the episode,and will have to wait on the full write up.
Now, could a demon or evil spirit pretend to be the ghost of a child ,especially or
your great aunt Myrtle, sure. The reason would be that by playing on your sympathy
as a child ghost, you would feel sorry for it,just as you would a real human child and would want to help it out. by playing oin your sympathy it can then start to manipulate you and evetually posess you if everything goes according to it's plan.
However, I have no idea what leads them to this conclusion of what's happening in the home or business.
In one case they went to,forgot the episode, Jay and Grant were talking to the daughter of the home owner in the basement. Jay felt something on his back, and you could see his shoulder area was clearly inflamed by something and he said he was not standing near anything hot at the time.

Could he have gotten scratched,yeah if they were crawling around in the dark
it's possible he came in contact with a nail or something else that might leave marks when up in the attic.
That reminds me too of an epsiode where GHI went to Denmark, and visited a castle. At this castle you could clearly see the mummified body of a fully clothed woman,who had been walled up alive by her father because she dared to fall in love with a poor man. On the TAPS board some people thought their host reminded them of Vincent Price. The place is also a hotel.
Joe and one of the girls went to the basement to investigate, which also had a body in it.When they came back up out of there,Joe remarked to everyone that he had a stinging sensation, and what looked like a bite mark on his arm. We did see the mark, ,and I think Joe even mentioned it was fading away. Could it have been a bite mark yes.People have been scratched, pushed and what not when visiting the Black Tomb at Greyfriars cemetary in the Covenanters Prision area. I think that the area is off limits to tours, but I could be wrong. Now THAT'S a place I'd love to see GHI go to.Let Bloody MacKenzie's ghost, if it is his ghost, chase them around.

If (and its a big if) they really believe the K2 works at "talking" to spirits why would they place it on an electric junction box! The placement defies logic.

Maybe they meant demons masquerading as ghosts masquerading as demons?

So much for the scientific investigators.

I thought that GH was trying to stay away from using the term demonic. Remember that they jettisoned their demonologist in Season One. Maybe they ought to bring him back.

I've seen photos of the injuries inflicted in the Black Mausoleum. Jason's looked more like, as my husband said, he had been leaning against some fibroglass. Or, as mentioned above, fabric lines from his pants. This incident was simply too convenient for my tastes. I would have liked to see the area the next day, or better yet, during the reveal. Had it disappeared so quickly?

It will be interesting to see how this one sat with the hardcore fans. I'll check & get back later with my findings.

Sorry to say it looks like GH picked up where GHI left off. Not so good. What a disaster. This first investigation was so bad I was glad I taped it. I cannot believe that this segment was the opening of the new season and was considered a "pressing" investigation.

This time we see Kris driving Amy talking to only Jason & Grant – no Steve or Tango in sight until we get to the location. And, as BD50 said, what a location. Were they really renovating as Grant suggested? I'm not so sure. He did try to use that as an "excuse" but there was never any mention of a renovation by the owner. It was however, my "red flag", as Grant mentioned, but for me that meant this was going to be a mess and I wasn't disappointed.

One of the first mistakes (although minor, however I was always taught you never got the client's name wrong) was Kris telling Jay and Grant the name of the clients as Paul and Roxanne. Later we see "Paul" who is now "Chuck" as we are told on screen according to GH. How embarrassing. Then we hear Kris adding an additional experience that should have been in the initial segment. I somehow think that was the reason for the "van" shots as they had nothing else to say otherwise, why leave it out?

Interesting that when they met Roxanne and she explained the sofa getting "whacked" and moved, she said she turned to her husband and only asked "did you hear that"? His response was "yeah, what was it?". She said she was in tears. Why didn't she also ask "did you see the sofa? It moved!"? It was just too rehearsed and matter of fact for me. There was absolutely no discussion of the movement of the sofa with the owners or GH. Wouldn't you think that it would be important to show how far the sofa moved if in fact it moved at all? Of course it would but we got nothing. And this woman and her husband have to be at least in their late 30's and she's lived in that house for 4 years and never knew a sound could have been duct work expanding and contracting from the ducts heating and then cooling down or vice versa? They live in the Northeast. That happens all the time! It was a ridiculous claim and probably thrown in to add to a very thin, if any, legitimate complaint of activity in the house.

Then we have the Gonsalves theory at its full potential. Kris' description of the son's encounter in the beginning followed by Steve's misinterpretation to Tango then back to Kris' misinterpretation to Amy. Gabe's mother just said he got touched. What we got originally from Kris was the son was in the basement, looked to his side and there was a black mass that charged him and started tugging at his clothing. Then, in the basement she tells Amy the son was in the basement taking care of the cat, felt he wasn't alone, the lights dimmed, it got cold and a dark mass charged at him. Steve's explanation to Tango standing by the washer says the mass came over by the w/d and moved past the light. Now, here's the son's story. "I saw @ a 5' black mass, shaped like a person, run at me. I kinda ducked down and my shirt was pulled from the back. I turned and spun around quickly, nothing was there anymore and I just stood there cowering in fear. I couldn't move." Okay, what 17 year old uses the words "cowering in fear"? In all my years, I've never heard a kid say that. In fact, I don't think I've every heard any adult say that in a conversation. How embarrassing. How scripted!

As far as Jason & Grant, they were just plain laughable. Asking the entity to light up the K2 meter? Sure, all entities know about the K2 meter because they now watch Syfy with J&G and know exactly what to do. It was even funnier that before Jason finished even asking at least one question, the K2 lit up. Do I believe he got scratched? Not at this investigation. Possibly by playing with the kids which he likes to brag about or by his dogs.

But, I have to hand it to Grant. He had one of the best lines of the night. It's one that seems to be a constant thread around here as well and I couldn't help but laugh out loud when he said it. Thanks Grant. You were right on target.

"Everybody here is sick of your bullcrap."

Oubliette,

Here's one quote from the GH Syfy forum which I loved:

"I guess it wasnt just GHI after all…"

There wasn't one positive thing to say for 6 pages and that was the lead up to the show to the conclusion last night.

Alicat – well said.

First, thanks StanThe Man. Appreciate it.

Here's something I noticed during and after the K2 session. Grant's hand is clear of anything when he points to the K2 at the 16 minute mark of the episode, just before he describes an inhuman entity. Again, it's clear at about 16.15 and for a short time thereafter. However, at the 17.20 mark, while casually leaning, you see his hand clenched in a tight fist and they cut to Jason asking more questions. At the 17.43 mark, with his hand still tightly clenched in a fist, he folds his arms. At the 18.16 mark you see Jason and Grant going up the stairs to the bedroom and crawlspace. If you notice Grant's right hand you will see his fist clenching something with a black wire which runs between his middle and first finger and across under the thumb. There apparently is something either in front of or attached to the outside of the thumb which you can see by looking at the tip of his thumb. Interestingly, when they go up to the bedroom closet to get to the crawlspace, at @ 18.18 he's using his left arm/hand (which has nothing in it) to help move the clothing aside and not his right. They then cut and at 18.22 he's now using his right hand and there is no wire but his left hand is not to be seen. At 18.27 Jason turns to the camera and says "listen" and Grant leans in and says "did you hear that?" to which Jason says it's a growl and then as Grant leans in asks at 18.38 "was that a growl?". It is then we see Grant now has his recorder which he quickly switches from his left hand to his right hand. Anazing to me.

Any ideas?

I don't think that was a junction box the K2 was on, it was setting on the gas valve area of the hot water heater. I still wouldn't have put it there, though.

I love the "if it was a demonic we'd see this, that and the other thing"

When have they ever shown that that is what you get from a demonic haunt? First, they've never proven anything was a demonic haunt, and second, they've never shown things flying around the room, the closest we get is Frank and possibly ol' what's his name getting dropped in Ireland. Are all demons created equal? Do they all have the same strengths? I want answers to those questions before I accept Grant's flippant (flipping?) remarks about what this or that would do.

I definitely got an acting/scripted vibe from Jason and Grant this episode. Jason more so than Grant, but still there with Grant too. It almost seems like Jason was just going through the motions and was barely even trying to act.

They usually are better at making things seem more off the cuff, but not this time. The way that whole conversation went with Grant busting out the "ghost acting like a demon" theory; it just seemed so scripted (and badly acted) I was almost taken aback.

I want to see if this continues, my theory being Jason and to a lesser extent Grant, are tired of this and just mailing it in. We'll see.

Logisti – It was on my list to mention Jason's tone and timing when he was asking the location questions with the K2 but I neglected to mention it in my post. It was very obvious where he was leading the episode and, once again, very scripted in my opinion.

I have to agree with hammer1. It really did seem like they were just going through the motions. I too believe that are tired of all this and are just mailing it in and the sad part is, this was the first investigation of the new season which was followed up by a very boring and mailed in second investigation. The most excitement on that one was the yellow jacket that Steve encountered. Gee, an hour of GH and the most exciting thing is Steve getting scared yet again by a bug. How pathetic is that?

Gee, an hour of GH and the most exciting thing is Steve getting scared yet again by a bug. How pathetic is that?

Gee, an hour of GH and the most exciting thing is Steve getting scared yet again by a bug. How pathetic is that?

Gee, an hour of GH and the most exciting thing is Steve getting scared yet again by a bug. How pathetic is that?

… Sorry this was just so perfect it needed to be repeated…

If they have an EVP that they think is German based on their research wouldn't it be a good idea to find a German speaking person to confirm/translate or disagree. Just because the owners were allegedly German does not mean they spoken only German or German at all. Having foreign speaking former owners seemed a little to convienient to me. Here's an EVP we can't understand so it must be a foreign language not just static or random noises.