April 17, 2009

GH: Georgia Aquarium

TAPS headed down south for this investigation to visit the Georgia Aquarium, the temporary home of the traveling Titanic exhibit. Joe & Diana Avena, two investigators local to the Atlanta area, hooked the Ghost Hunters team up with the gig and had the privilege of joining them for the evening. According to their host, the activity at the Georgia Aquarium is not restricted to just the Titanic Exhibit itself, but the small number of reports not associated with the exhibit seemed rather vague and not particularly paranormal. For instance, one day someone noticed unusual air bubbles in one of the larger tanks which they couldn't explain, and the bubbles also seemed unusual because they didn't seem to rise to the surface as one would expect. A scientific puzzle perhaps, but it doesn't bring to mind "ghosts" or "spirits" the way reports of voices or shadowy figures do.

As Jay & Grant began their investigation they started to run into quite a few cold spots. In fact, they seemed to believe the cold spots might actually be moving — perhaps created by a single entity that was following them around and drawing energy from the nearby air. Initially I was yet again frustrated by the team's lack of thermometers, however after some number of cold spots they actually broke down and ran out to their van to get one. Why supposedly scientific investigators think it's normal or okay to be so reluctant to actually measure things scientifically with instruments they own and have nearby I cannot surmise, but at least they finally did get a thermometer which is more than they've done the previous dozen or more times they had an unusual temperature worth measuring.

Of course, this situation was complicated by the fact that most of these cold spots seemed to be occurring in a room the aquarium used to house a realistic iceberg for visitors to touch (and feel how cold it is, etc). One might postulate that the presence of an enormous block of ice in a room could create temperature fluctuations in the room, perhaps even localized pockets of cold that move with the airflow of the room.  I applaud Jay & Grant for getting the right tool for the job, taking measurements and displaying the readouts on camera for the audience to verify, but cold spots in a room where one wall is covered with a giant block of ice just doesn't seem paranormal to me.

Nothing much seemed to happen for Steve & Tango, Kris & Amy or even Joe & Diana (although I found it slightly odd how Steve kept referring to the passengers of the "Titanic ship"). The remainder of the investigation's interesting activity surrounded Jay & Grant in a room housing actual artifacts and personal affects recovered from the ship on the bottom of the Atlantic. First Grant noticed a figure (shadow) which he thought was Jay entering the room until he realized a moment later that Jay was in a different place entirely. Then Jay sat next to him and they both reported seeing figures moving in nearby rooms, but when Jay got up to be certain it wasn't another investigator or crew member he confirmed no one was actually there. Jay asked any spirits who wanted them to leave to "knock twice", but there was apparently no knocking — however there was a response caught on audio during the evidence review: a fairly clear voice saying something like, "No, please wait". Shortly afterwards (without having heard that voice at the time) Jay & Grant got up to leave the room when Grant reported feeling a firm hand on his shoulder preventing him from standing up.

I won't attempt to evaluate Grant's experience one way or the other. The voice I will evaluate, I thought it absolutely sounded like a voice speaking English and I found it to be one of the clearest potentially paranormal recordings I've yet heard. My largest issue with it is trust and editing. The editing issue is simple: on the production footage we see Jay ask that question (about the two knocks) but the footage is cut off immediately afterwards. This could easily be a reasonable call by the editing team, but it creates a problem for the audience because we know there are two recordings of the event (one with video), we know one of them has an anomalous voice and we know the other one shouldn't but we don't know whether or not it really does. For all we know, that production footage might blatantly show Grant speaking those words heard on the other recording in a funny little half-whisper. Ultimately, no matter how impressive this evidence might seem on the surface, if there is room to distrust TAPS then it's not impressive at all. Personally, I've seen enough to convince me I can't take the team at their word, but others may feel differently.

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April 17, 2009

MissBlue @ 5:14 pm

Maybe someone can help me – or correct me – but when Jason and Grant were measuring the temperature of the cold spot, I thought they said that the cold spot was about five degrees cooler. Then, at the reveal, they said that the difference was six to ten degrees. Did I mishear?

Nosfer @ 5:42 pm

My comments on this episode are in the forums, but yes, I noticed and asked the same thing there…upon review, that is indeed what was said, though the term "at least" preceded the 5 so who knows!

April 18, 2009

ninjakitty @ 1:08 am

1. Often when Steve is showing the camera angle, he'll make reference to a report of activity in the area that the camera covers. But half the time, what he says is significantly different than whatever report they've just shown. In this case the person who experienced something said "i felt pressure on my head like a shower cap was on me" and when Steve showed that area on camera he was like "this is where a person got touched and felt a hand on their head." THAT'S NOT THE SAME AT ALL. THIS TOTALLY ANNOYS ME.

2. Thank god they finally went to get the thermometer to prove the cold spot was cold. When Jay and Grant find the cold spot in the exhibit, they are like wooo dawg this is cold, yeah man that is so cold, it's like 40 degrees colder. HOW DO THEY KNOW? it was irritating me. and then when they did finally get the cold spot measured, they werein a room that contains a GIANT REFRIGERATED FAKE ICEBERG, which seems suspect. they didn't seem to check the huge thing that makes cold for whether it could be influencing the "cold spot".

3. Steve and Tango never find anything.

4. Grant is a terrible actor.

Obi Wan Canubi @ 6:46 am

I am glad someone other then me noticed they were looking for an cold spot in the same room with a 500 pound ice cube. I enjoy ghost hunters, but I think if they ever found any solid evidence I would have to find it suspect because of all the underhanded tactics they have pulled over the years.

Oubliette @ 2:43 pm

If there is ventilation in that room then it would not be too much a stretch of the imagination to realize that when the system would kick in it would blow some of the cold emanating from the ice out into the room. Hence, a cold spot that was several feet away from the block of ice.

Not many attempts at debunking going on lately, is there? Some posters here have already come up with some good explanations for the footprints, some that TAPS didn't even seem to come up with themselves.

Maybe we need our own show ;)

Stephen @ 4:31 pm

For the record, Grant's using a Mannix IRT408K thermometer with a K probe.

April 19, 2009

human being @ 2:38 pm

One thing that I have been noticing (mainly on GHI) is how sometimes when the investigators are conducting an EVP session they always assume that the "spirit" wants them to leave. It really bugs me… If I was a spirit I think I would want to try to communicate with living people who are trying to reach out to me.

I almost laughed when J&G started getting all excited about the cold spots in the iceberg room. I was sitting there thinking "Don't you guys see that humongous piece of freezing cold fake ice right next to you?!"

Stephen @ 7:52 pm

Atlantan skeptic MasalaSkeptic has a post about the episode on SkepChick here:

http://skepchick.org/blog/?p=6890

Lar @ 9:02 pm

Here's my best review on this episode & the entire season. YAWN.
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April 20, 2009

Oubliette @ 9:22 am

I forgot about the report of odd bubbles in the aquarium. How ridiculous to even consider this might indicate something paranormal. Even if the source of the bubbles was not readily apparent, logic dictates that some creature left them behind. A ghost fish, perhaps???

When I saw a Titanic exhibit in Atlantic City quite a few years back, I was filled with sorrow and a poignancy about the event that has stayed with me all these years. But at that time, and even at present, I've never heard of any paranormal activities associated with these artifacts.

Once again, we are unfortunately left with the impression that the Aquarium wanted another means to advertise both the exhibit and the aquarium itself. Who is booking TAPS into these places??? It is only rebounding to their discredit.

alicat @ 12:57 pm

I can't believe I missed this. The Georgia Aquarium press release about paranormal activity states: "Other venues that have housed Titanic Aquatic, such as the Orlando Science Center, have reported strange occurrences similar to the ones at the Georgia Aquarium." Here is the Aquarium press release link: http://www.georgiaaquarium.org/newsroom/pressdetail.aspx?id=131

According to the RMS Titanic, Inc. (RMST) press release: "RMS Titanic, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Premier Exhibitions, Inc. has entered into an agreement with the Georgia Aquarium to present the worldwide debut of Titanic: Aquatic. Opening August 22, 2008." And, according to the RMS Titanic website, the only Titanic exhibitions in Florida have been in St. Petersburg and Tampa – none in Orlando.

Also interesting is the fact that the "ownership" of the Titanic artifacts being exhibited by RMS Titanic was just heard in federal court in Virginia with a ruling expected to come down shortly. Obviously, this means it's been in the court system for quite some time. RMS Titanic Inc., which was the salvage company, wants the court to grant it limited ownership of the artifacts it has gathered. If they are not awarded "ownership", it appears they will take a huge hit in their financial portfolio. Apparently, even from the RMST website press releases, Premier has been going through financial and internal conflict. Here is the link:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-03-24-titanic-artifacts_N.htm

Bottom line is that no where on any site can I find, including RMST's or Premier's who produce the exhibit, is there any reference to parnormal activity and the Georgia Aquarium appears to be misrepresenting the facts and needs to hire themselves a fact checker. I also think because now Roswell Georgia Paranormal is moving up the TAPS scale, it was decided that they needed exposure and confirmation from the big guys.

Mary @ 1:38 pm

Since this place has an aquarium, and undoubtedly sharks as well, wouldn't this have been the perfect opportunity for either Jay or Grant to get a pair of water skis, and, um, jump the shark-bubbles? LOL!

Edit – Jay could even have found those skis in the same place as that flour! I am now picturing a carrying case in the back of the TAPS van that holds absolutely everything, much like Mary Poppin's carpetbag.

April 21, 2009

windwhisperer @ 11:24 am

What do you guys think about the scene where Grant alleges he got pushed back down to the floor? He said he felt a hand on his shoulder and it pushed him.
I noticed that the camera was on him the whole time and when the 'push' occurred the camera seemed to switch views or something.
Did I imagine this?

Nosfer @ 2:00 pm

The camera DOES jump at that point, but I don't think it's an angle switch or anything like that. I think what happened is that, for broadcast, they edited the production film so as to be zoomed in on Grant, ie, he takes up more of the frame than the normal shot showed.

I went frame by frame and don't think this was a splice or recreation because if it were, it would be one of the best jobs Pilgrim has ever done lol. I think it's just a zoom-in for what is shown to the world.

April 22, 2009

bill kelly @ 11:12 pm

actually my mom saw the exhibit in Memphis and met several people who saw things or had been rouched when no one was around.

my thing was since this is a traveling exhibit and whereever it goes people say its haunted why not got to another city and see if they catch them same things or new stuff??

April 23, 2009

alicat @ 10:07 am

Bill – the answer is because this exhibit has NOT traveled anywhere and there was NEVER any representation by the Aquarium staff that it did. The Georgia Aquarium is the first and only place this exhibition has ever been. The press release from the exhibit "owners" and previous posts on this subject above and in the forum, states: "RMS Titanic, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Premier Exhibitions, Inc. has entered into an agreement with the Georgia Aquarium to present the worldwide debut of Titanic: Aquatic. Opening August 22, 2008." And, according to the RMS Titanic website, the only other true "Titanic exhibitions" in Florida have been in St. Petersburg and Tampa – none in Orlando.

One of the founders of RMST, who left the company some time ago, created an exhibition in Orlando however he retained no salvaged artifacts as the only company or individual that has any legal rights (salvage with guardianship but not ownership) is RMST. He recreated rooms with reproductions and actors who walk throughout the exhibit as period costumed characters which they proudly note on their website.

The only claims it was a traveling exhibit was the set up by GH from the start. Steve asking Kris if the "activity" happens at this aquarium only or if it follows wherever the exhibit goes. And, of course, Kris states that "wherever this exhibit goes is where the activity goes". Then, Grant states during the PR Director's presentation: "so now this is a traveling exhibit and everywhere it seems to go paranormal activity follows, correct?". To which the PR Director's response is: "there has been a lot of paranormal activity at the different exhibits that they have had all over the world."

Bill, please note the lack of confirmation to Grant's question as it is very telling. As an Aquarium employee and the PR Director, she knows she can never confirm Grant's statement and answer the question because the facts are simply not true. It's called job security and making untrue statements on behalf of the Aquarium would put their credibility and job in question as well as hurt the reputation of her employer. So she sidesteps the issue and deflects her answer by speaking about other Titanic exhibits elsewhere. Which, as far as paranormal activity at other exhibits and/or recreations are concerned are quite factually inaccurate as there as absolutely no evidence, other than what you heard on GH, to support these claims – even the RMST and Premier websites (with articles) do not mention any paranormal activity. Ironically, the "Exhibition Director of Education" who was also interviewed does not work for the Aquarium but instead works for Premier Exhibitions and her statements were about other exhibits – not the Georgia exhibit they were investigating. Today, I contacted Premier myself but the Director was "out of town". It was then confirmed to me directly that this exhibition has never traveled and has only been at the George Aquarium. My guess is that in Athens and/or Mexico they used English character actors in dress based on the fact that the former founder who left RMST proceeded to do so when he opened his own recreation exhibit. It would have been in the Athens and Mexico timeframe when he was a part of RMST/Premier.

One other thing that no one has picked up on is that when they claim to be seeing a black mass or perhaps another member of their team walking around but then get up and look to see who it is, you just have to see the black curtains surrounding the exhibit space to know this is what they are interpreting as "paranormal activity" when it is actually real people reflected through the curtains or entering/departing through the curtains. I'm sorry but I've been to enough venues to know that people appear and disappear through curtains to take short cuts to get from one place to another and there's nothing paranormal about that. This place would not have been completely empty because they are required to have workers monitoring/feeding/cleaning the aquarium and the animals in their surroundings 24/7/365 to maintain the Aquarium and they need to get their jobs done despite GH's investigation.

By the way during the PR Director's tour, the following paranormal activity in the first room consisted of: very eerie feelings, footsteps, different areas feeling cold spots, and shadows. Then they cut to a volunteer who stated she felt a pressence and knew something was behind her, she then felt pressure on her head like a swimming cap to which she gleefully stated "It was contact!"? In the personal effects room the only statement was that there was "a lot of activity as well" but no explanation of what. The patron who felt like he was experiencing "it" – but "it" turned out to be an overwhelming feeling of not being able to find out what had happened and had to leave the room. Hardly paranormal – just someone who got overwhelmed with the sadness which is quite understandable but certainly, as I said, not paranormal. Bubbles in the water at the Sea Lion exhibit? Please!

One sign that at least someone had an intelligent thought in this episode was Joe Avena when he stated that the noise he and Diana heard could very well have been a normal aquarium noise! Finally! Someone actually got it right!

Nosfer @ 10:45 am

Nice description of the "different" exhibits alicat! The more I dig into these episodes, the more I'm finding that what we see is not what actually is. Sometimes it's minor, sometimes not, but in all cases it hurts the show because it makes you wonder what you see that you can actually trust. The Gaither episode about Steve and Tango and the bat was something that I never gave any thought to, but now I see that that scene is pasted together from their investigation and the girl's investigation. The girls saw the bat in the corner, not the guys, but the way the show is edited, reality has been altered. Where, then, does it stop?

alicat @ 11:17 am

Nosfer,

I re-watched and taped the episodes last night. I'm trying to time the length of the actual footage shown as compared to the entire episode. There were just so many commercials.

I also noticed in the second episode what might confirm what Oubliette wrote about the flour/shoes evidence. When looking at the "prints", it looks more like the sifter made the marks. It obviously was not shoes from the 1800's. Jason did dispense flour from the sifter differently in each area. Your thoughts?

Also, back to the Aquarium, only once did we see the actual thermometer reading although J or G said twice. The first time you see it and it registers 65 degrees (I don't think that is unusual at all based on it being in an aquarium). The second time they start to zoom in but the reading is blurry and you cannot see any numbers. Looks like they subliminaly wanted us to believe we were reading it but, in truth, we just saw an angle with no visable reading.

I take nothing at face value with GH or GHI.

alicat @ 11:31 am

Oops! I incorrectly identified a reference on Jason's flour prints to Oubliette. It was actually 13pranks. Sorry 13pranks. Oubliette – it must be that Jersey girl connection.

Nosfer @ 12:02 pm

When I strip out commercials, I get between 41 and 43 minutes per hour-long episode. The Aquarium/Gaither was about 43 minutes and a few seconds.




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