Seemed to me the owner was disappointed with all the debunking explanations. But when Jay said they had a piece of evidence for her (the evp), she perked right up. I assume this is because it would be bad for business if everything was debunked.

Did think the owner's daughter was kinda hot, but other than that it was just filler to complete the hour.

On this episode of TAPS I considered it to be more believable in reality what ghost hunting is, and should be about. Finding real evidence explaining why things are not what they appear to be, and demonstrating how a natural phenomenon occurs. This could have very easily gone the other way. I gave Steve two thumbs up for debunking, why the silverware was rearranging it self. It looked good and salvaged some credibility of the TAPS members.

After four seasons of investigating haunted locations, I believe TAPS has contributed more evidence to make believers out of all of us that the chances we survive after death does not even make it to the first stage of a theory.

How many times have we heard the TAPS case manager say, the location has reported FBA, and there are reports of dishes being smashed, and objects being moved? Not one episode has proven with empirical evidence, objects do fly through the air, and move with no other explanation which would lead a logical person to be convinced that only a spirit could have been responsible for the claim. Not one episode, not one theory has been provided to suggest a feeble minded person or any critical thinker to believe in the existence of spirits.

I view the show with self-interest as the primary motive of human behavior, and those who disincline to rely upon sincerity. Call it cynical it is what it is. But I feel TAPS, not all the members, are also guilty of Occupational cynicism which consists of a cynical attitude in relation to aspects of one's own work, leading to a loss of pride and respect concerning oneself in relation to any person who believes in such occurrences or who does not.

Ok. I have a serious issue with the EVP, "Where's the boy?" (actually, like you Logisti, I thought I heard a second syllable like, "Where's the porter?" but I guess that doesn't really make sense)

I'm not coming at this as an adult, but as a 12 year boy. That voice was creepy. I don't mean 'scary' creepy, but….I want to choose my words carefully here…. creepy as in very unsettling, unnerving, like 'I don't want my child around him' creepy. Now, I'm still not convenced about this whole "EVP thing" to begin with; but, again, if I'm that boy – I'm scared. J&G can play the whole "You can't judge intent from the sound of the voice" card all they want, but that sounded almost threatening.

Sure, it's a tv show, and we all here have just about given up on it, but, again, I"m talking about the 12 year old boy. So. What does the mom tell him? a) Don't worry about? – Not good enough. b)It's not real? – But mom just called these people in to find out the truth, and this is what they got. c)I suppose she could tell him that it's all fake and she just did it to boost business. But are you going to give that kind of information to a 12 year old kid? Me neither.

I may come across as overreacting, sorry. But I want to emphasize, I'm talking about a 12 year old boy that just heard – on TV, so it must be true – the voice of an unseen entity ask, in a very disturbing tone, where he is.

Unless there is much left on the cutting room floor, I'm not impressed with what I saw. TAPS always claims to put helping children at the top of their list. I just don't think they did this particular child any good.

EDITED ONE DAY LATER:
Reading this again this morning, I don't think I was clear on my 'issue' with this episode. Lately, even if we can't prove hoaxing, there have been enough 'smoking guns' to cast a suspicious eye toward GH. If they want to pull a fast one on us or their clients – fine. If their mission now is to drum up business for ghost tours, etc. – Good. Thanks for helping the economy. But I have to draw the line at involving children for this. And I just feel they crossed the line on this one.

Excellent point, CrowTRobot, as a parent that was my thought as I watched last night's episode. If I'm the parent of a 12-year old boy, and I hear that, we're calling the movers that day and putting the place on the market.

I really enjoyed Steve's catch of the silverware – that was how it should be done – all the time. If GH can only get sites to allow them to "investigate" in exchange for marketing themselves as "haunted", it's time to pull the plug on the series. Sometimes a banana is just a banana – too bad if showing that doesn't help with your Saturday night diner crowd.

Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture but this sounds like a lot of embellished stories. When the owner said a piece of candy popped out of the dish. How about she filled it a little too high and one fell out. Vacuuming and the vibration or maybe something got hit with the vacuum and it fell out. And the girl saw the plate move. Reminded me of a young girl that wanted her fifteen minutes of fame. I couldn't believe her. I guess since the silverware moved a bit she added on the bit about the plate moving.

I can't even discuss evps. Maybe if I recorded my own; maybe and only maybe I'll consider how valid they are.

It seems that with these last two investigations there's nothing much to discuss is there. All sort of ho hum.

And again Jason declares the place haunted. Yippee! More business!

I just want to ask everyone that are part of these discussions. At the end of every episode, Jay and Grant always tell the homeowner or "client", that if they ever feel the need to call them again, to do so. Does anyone know if they have ever gone back to a location because the person is still in need of T.A.P.S., help? I don't think I have ever heard of them returning to a homeowners place of residence. I know they have been to Delaware and Waverly a couple of times but what about the homes. Do Jay and Grant run the Haunts out for them to never return?

PatAttack-good question. As far as I can remember this has not happened. They have returned to various sites, but this seems to have been their (or Pilgrim's) choice, not TAPS. And they have always been places that want to attract business.

We have a very interesting thread here which includes posts by Brenda from the Altoona house episode a few years back. She has some very revealing things to say about their visit and how she feels they didn't seem to be there to help that much in the first place.

I guess going back to people's homes (as opposed to businesses) isn't the profitable thing to do. Good point.

On to Steve-this is one of the rare times he has been of help rather then goofing around or jumping at cobwebs and insects. Have to give credit where credit is due. But IMO there is no way in the world that workers in that restaurant could not have know about the magnetic qualities of the silverware.

After all, some of them have to handle the different pieces, esp. when setting the tables. They are so magnetic they must have been sticking to each other even as the employees were trying to put them in their proper places. Believe me, if my silverware were magnetic, it would be the first thing I would notice.

Where can I get some? It would be an entertaining party trick.

I kinda alluded to this in my first post, but it was pretty obvious to me the owner wanted to place to be deemed "haunted"; good for business and all. And the thing with the crossed silverware -I am sure this is something they pass off to customers, etc. as evidence. They no doubt know it is because of the magnetized properties, but keep sticking with the story. Steve's debunking disappointed her, from what I could tell from her expression.

And regarding the EVP. As we all know they sound different to different people. Also as we all know when someone suggests what it said, then you "hear it" as that person hears it. To me I heard "raise the ". But when Jay said what he thought it was, then yeah I guess it could be that too.

Another thing on the EVP. Here's a theory. Jay and Grant figured the 'where's the boy' thing would fit in well with the restaurant's ghost stories, so that is what they went with. They didn't mean to scare the lady or kid, they were playing along, knew she wanted some sort of evidence that would sound good to customers, and knew all the debunking would disappoint her, so they went with 'where's the boy' (and hedged the bets saying it could be residual, don't know the intention, etc) We don't hear Steve or Tango's take on what they thought it said, wonder why. Again as I said above, the owner perked right up when Jay said they had an EVP (after all the 'disappointing' debunking). She said something like "that's what I wanted to hear" even before knowing what it was.

Regarding "going back". On the "other board" months ago there was a discussion where I repeatedly said something about how it's always just "on to the next"

Grant: "Well, that was a pretty cool spot, I think there was definitely something there"
Jay: "Yep, good job, bro. On to the next" (fist bump)

And I railed about how instead of "on to the next" it should be "alright, we may have an opportunity to really learn something. Let's blanket this place with everything we've got, concentrate multiple instruments here, here, and over there" etc.

Then very shortly afterwards both J&G did one of those "outtakes" where they were standing there separate of the episode saying they always send other team members back to sites they've been to so each site is investigated several different times. Stanley, Waverly, and St Augustine are the only repeats I know of, however.

I took Oubilette's advice and checked out the "Brenda" posts on the Altoona investigation – interesting, but forgive me to asking this, but how do we KNOW that poster is actually the woman who had her house investigated? Was she vetted? There – in response the the "Brenda" comments – were posts from another woman who also claimed to have had her house investigated. The second person was much more favorable in her comments about TAPS. Do we know that this second person was who she claimed to be?

If one is to be skeptical of GH – shouldn't we also be just as skeptical of those claiming to have first hand knowledge of an investigation (be it positive, neutral or negative)?

If the poster "Brenda" IS the actual person who had her home investigated – how can we verify that? And the same for the other person who reportedly had her home investigated?

Just asking.

Well, we can't really know that Brenda is who she says she is (the homeowner from the Altoona home episode), but from the content of posts, and the manner they were written they seem authentic to me. And the hypothesis that someone would fraudulently portraying themself as her is a bit of a stretch. The posts are consistent in style and content (although inconsistent on factual matters). I have no reason to doubt she is who she says she is, however, I do doubt some of her claims. But I'd put that down to anger and frustration with TAPS.

I contested the "story" from the ex-TAPS people from the DeVille for quite some time and was dubious of the source as well as the information and while I still contend parts of it, the case of fraud they made held water when I put it under scrutiny (there is a thread in the forum about the whole thing). But I really never contested that they were who they say they were.

From what I understand, Brenda had gone on the TAPS board (big mistake) quite a while ago and was so viciously attacked she quickly left.

What adds credibility to her posts are some of the facts she has pointed out-like filming the outside of a neighbor's house and even showing a toilet that wasn't hers–these are things that someone would not ordinarily think to make up. It's not proof positive, but those are statements that seem to point in her favor.

She did show up on the TAPS board but I don't recall a vicious attack (at least not in the general forum, who knows if she was on the 18+). I recall a fair amount of sympathy and even some comments about how things could have been done better. As far as I recall, the thread became "locked for review" (sound familiar? lol) and I don't remember what the resolution was after that.

Thanks for your collective take on this. I agree that her posts certainly appear to be legit – but without having any way to be sure (and that her apparent experience was so dramatically different from the other poster who said that she also had her home featured on GH) it just made me wonder.

General observation on the Windward Grille: the owner struck me as odd. Obviously, she was hoping for outrageous evidence, and didn't even care about the magnetic silverware. I mean, come on, magnetic silverware? Pretty cool! Probably some severe Pilgrim editing, as Logisti suggests.
Was also a bit overdramatic about the piece of candy falling out of the bowl, but maybe I would be too if in that situation. Who knows…
The whole time, during the tour and reveal, I just had a skeezy feeling: she called TAPS for the sole purpose of boosting her business. Sure she may have had some weird events happen, but her whole attitude seemed a bit off.
If that's what this show is sinking to, I don't know how much longer I can take it!

Hello! First time posting!
A note on magnetic silverware…

Working as a dishwasher for my job for more than 2 years I can tell you that there is no way someone there did not know about it.

When washing silverware, one day, I noticed a knife acting odd just like the people of the windward grille was reporting. In fact it would actually spin in front of me. But what was really odd was that this was the only knife doing it and no other. This had never happeded before with any other silverware. Then I looked closer. Not only did I figure out that the knife was magnetic it wasn't even ours! It belonged to the Italian restaurant next door. We're always getting there stuff in our cafe bus bins.

Also, when our cafe finally got new silverware guess what very thing was annoying about unpackaging them? They had all been magnetized during delivery. In fact, they were so magnetic I really had to use a bit of force to pry them apart.

My point? Someone knew.

Off-topic, not sure this has been posted anywhere. Does anyone know why Grant's Myspace page went private all of a sudden. Jason's is still public, did someone attack it with the truth?
I never seen an owner of a place so excited when they said they caught a voice. Why would you want spirits haunting your place and scaring your children? There are no spirits there she just wants someone to say there is so business will get brisker. I guess the Spaulding Inn will turn into what the loser at the "Wolfe Manor" is trying to create, a "Haunted House" themed hotel. I think even if the GH's are on the level which is saying a lot, the people they are doing case work are no longer. They are all trying to cash in, GH's are too popular now.
If everything was truly on the level, someone at GH would step up and show some evidence they are being truthful. This is liek when politicians have an affair, and they deny, deny, deny, and then personal attack the accusers, then eventually have to come clean. Let's see if these guys can keep their tricks secret. Eventually someone will talk.

I will say nothing on the Windward Grille's website yet about it being haunted.

I just went there and unless I'm looking at the wrong site, they have an old fashioned "hit counter" that — as of today, nearly a week since the episode aired — had exactly 111 hits before I arrived. That's really, really low… unless they recently reset it or something? If not, the publicity from the show doesn't seem to have helped them all that much.