November 19, 2008
GH: Clovis Avenue Sanitarium
So it looks like the "Plumber" thing isn't going to go away. During All Access 2008 Jay & Grant reassured us they were still on Roto-Rooter's payroll, and they've made it clear they feel that gives them license to stage scenes where they begin to install a "New GE Washer" in someone's basement just as Kris Williams calls to say she's found an amazing place to visit 3,000 miles away in California and they should all drive there right away, for a single investigation, because no one has the cojones to B. A. Baracus Steve and slip some valium into his OJ.
Also, it gives them an excuse to bring in Amy Bruni, who is part of the TAPS family on the west coast, and apparently, from the All Access 2008 announcement she will now be joining them full time? I'm not really sure, it didn't seem that way from this investigation at least. After what they did last year — with that guy who won the contest to become the "Next Ghost Hunter" and then that apparently meant he got to hold an EMF detector for ten minutes before going home for the rest of his life. Maybe he just found out that being a cop makes him a lot more money than Jay & Grant were willing to part with.
There were, of course, an array of personal experiences related during the initial walkthrough but one in particular stood out to me. I'd heard a similar story during the walkthrough at Fort Mifflin and it strikes me as one of the most credible types of eyewitness reports: where multiple people see the same thing. In this case, a tour guide looked over and saw a man that looked rather odd. he noticed the man was wearing a white shirt and that his face seemed blurry, and then the man just faded into thin air. Before he could say anything, one of the people in the group said, "Did you see that?" Now of course such a story could be manufactured to seem credible, but assuming it's true I think it's much more intriguing than many other experiences because we can pretty much rule out hallucination, or even misidentification of something seen from the corner of the eye.
I also want to make sure I properly malign a bad habit that's been going on for some time, both with TAPS and Ghost Hunters International: The Telephone Game. As Kris Williams walks into the basement she tells Amy Bruni about the stuffed animal that "moves around". No, it doesn't move around. It moved around. Once. This seems relatively minor, but such errors are frequent and sometimes they're decidedly less benign. In one GHI investigation Robb was told that the employees made up a name for the male ghost they believe haunts the building, and shortly thereafter Robb told his team the name of the spirit they were trying to contact was "Frank" (or whatever the name that the employees had jokingly made up was), and suddenly everyone is trying to contact someone named "Frank". Then there was the time the restaurant owner told Grant about a "Musky" smell, and Grant repeated the word "Musky" but a couple of hours later he was telling everyone he found the source of the "Musty" smell and "debunked" it. TAPS needs to take their investigations a little more seriously because just a tiny bit of sloppiness can have significant consequences for an investigation.
While Kris & Amy were in the basement they heard a bang, which turned out to be a large rock (or piece of concrete?) someone had dropped near the top of the stairs. I'm sorry, but with all the mounting evidence for hoaxing I pretty much need to see video of that rock floating or materializing out of thin air before I'm going to rule out normal explanations (like Grant seeing a rock on his way into the building and thinking, "I know what I'm going to do with that later"). Without some specific evidence to point to a paranormal explanation, this going right in my paranormal trash can.
Upstairs Steve & Dave were trying to get the spirits to make some noise when they heard something: apparently some papers had fallen from a box. They weren't sure if the papers had been place in the box though, or on top of it. This is where wonder twin powers were activated. They rewound their cameras and tried to determine what the original location of the papers were, and when they couldn't detemine that conclusively they went to command central and used the large LCD so they could make that determination — and the papers had fallen off the box, not jumped out from inside the box. Their admirable investigative efforts were paid off with good karma: they placed the papers on top of the box and stomped around trying to make them fall off, but the papers stayed put, so their recreation still allows for paranormal possibilities.
Jay & Grant went down into the basement, I guess to investigate the rock, and they heard what Grant called "the loudest disembodied voice I've ever heard in my life". Forgive me for not getting excited, but as I've mentioned previously I just find it extremely unlikely that the dead just this season of Ghost Hunters figured out how to audibly talk to the living, and they've chosen to do it only when Jay & Grant are in the room, and to sound "tinny" like they're being played through a speaker. Oh, and for once it's almost crystal clear what this voice said, "I like the one in the hat" — seemingly referring to Jason. Honestly, it sounded to me like someone was doing their unflattering impression of a mentally challenged person.
But no one can accuse Jay & Grant of not keeping up on the latest hoaxing theories. Immediately after hearing the voice Jay asked Grant if that was his walkie. Grant responds that it wasn't, pulls out his handheld recorder and says it wasn't that either because it's still recording. They then proceed to search the area for hidden speakers, but regrettably find nothing.
Eager to play along though, and continue his bad habit of making false promises to ghosts, Jay offers up his hat to this alleged spirit. He also pulls the flashlight trick, where he loosens the battery cap so it will go on with the slightest touch from a spirit (or vibration from anywhere else) and then puts it on the floor. The flashlight went on, but Jay still left with the hat. Initially it looked like TAPS has neglected to cover the flashlight with a camera too, which would have been humorously angering, but it turns out Steve's DVR cam got it and it did indeed turn on when no one was touching it. When they tried for a followup though, asking the spirit to turn it back on by the count of 5, the light remained off. Maybe it's because the spirit was miffed about not getting Jason's hat after the first time.
One solid piece of last minute debunking was delivered by Amy Bruni, who was researching the owner's reports that 911 had been dialed from the building multiple times despite having no working phone and most of the lines being cut. It turned out he might not have working phones but he had a working phone system and the particular type of system he had was programmed to call 911 automatically in the event of an emergency. In fact, apparently other systems of this type are known to malfunction occasionally and call 911 for no apparent reason, so mystery solved! Our phone lines are free from spirits for one more day. No Ghost in the Machine to worry about just yet.
So all in all, there was some impressive investigating done, nothing in the way of impressive evidence, and a couple of highly suspicious things masquerading as impressive evidence. Standard fare, eh?
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Phoenixmagi @ 12:41 am
Good write up. question was it just my eyes playing tricks on me but did anyone else catch that brief shot of kris w's oh how do I put it..um..butt crack on national television? it was when her and amy first entered the basement and before they sat down kris has her back to the camera man her shirt is up and her pants are down and its full moon city. did that just really happened? I ask cuz kids watch this show. also they so faked that washer intstallation in the begging. I bet they wer ein jay or grants basement. how much do you think GE paid them for that product placement. what are the odds kris calls right when they install a brand new washer and explain some of its features? god this show doesn't respect its audience.
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Phoenixmagi @ 12:51 am
also I disagree on one point, someone was near the flashlight when it lite up on steve's camera, the pilgrim camera man. also I noticed on the pilgrim film immediatley after it lights up jay and grant point to it and the camera man turns around to film it fast but on steve's film he did not turn around at all? is some staging going on and pilgrim showed us a diff take?
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Phoenixmagi @ 1:55 am
I just noticed something that really bugged me while rewatching the episode. during the reveal just after they showed the client the video of the girls finding the rock, grant tell the client that at the same time is when the papers feel in the attic for tango and steve. the client then says and I qoute 'yeah like it (im guessing 'it' being a ghost)went through the house' and jason immediatley responds 'yes'. what the hell?!! so jason is telling the client two simultaneous non events are evidence of the paranormal! and by the hands of a ghost no doubt!! how are they proof of a ghost?!! this from the guy who said in the first season that he hates calling a place haunted. I mean bob dylan sang 'the times they are a changin" but this is ridicouls. jason is apparantly connecting dots that aren't there to bring in ratings to bring in cash. afterall jason's gotta eat and it appears he really loves food.
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chrispycritters @ 2:22 am
I'm not that far from Clovis and the building is known to everyone in town. In fact, for many Halloweens, it was used as a "Haunt House" (that's why there's red paint on the kitchen cabinets). The story about "Mary's Room" is a joke and if TAPS had done their homework, they could've found that out. That room was decorated as it is not for restoration, but for one of the Haunt House programs in the 80's. I double checked this with a good friend of mine who is involved with the Fresno Historical Society. The room that's supposedly "Mary's Room" wasn't really a bedroom at any point in the mansion's history. It was a closet, a bathing room, and part of a hallway. That's why you see the two doors side by side and a bit of tile in the corner (where the cast iron tub was before indoor plumbing). The building is actually called "Wolfe Manor", not "Clovis Sanatarium". The current owners are trying to turn it into a hotel and have been doing so for years. http://www.wolfemanorhotel.com/ One has to wonder if they're trying to cash in on the TAPS filming to convince a bank to loan them money to finish the restorations and open it as a business? Especially in light of TAPS comments about their investigations spawning a resurgent of business in these places. Wolfe manner does a livestream webcast and chat which can be found on the above link.
Watch this - the video is entitled "Wolfe Manner, the Making of a Haunted Hotel"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfIX4YkWM
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Stephen @ 2:38 am
Haven't seen the episode yet (I watch via iTunes), but I can tell you that Jay and Grant's Beyond Reality Radio will be sponsoring an event at Wolfe Manor next week.
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Lar @ 5:47 am
Steve & Tango desperate to have ANY thing happen have resort to debunking boxes. They've left TAPS to form UPS (United Paranormal Service).
I really feel sorry for these 2.
Someone throws a rock & it hits a door. Faked like so many cheesy videos. A true youtube moment.
The DISEMBODIED voice. Walkie. Cell. Speaker. Grant. Someone said it.J's reaction was typical. He didn't believe it. He asked if was G's walkie. More importantly watch the face of the owner during the reveal.
He is NOT surprised or stunned. He looks as if he's either
A. Guilty.
B. Trying to understand what someone is saying. Like he knows it's not paranormal,until Grant makes him aware it IS an EVP to which he agrees.
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Leslie @ 7:00 am
I don't think that it was totally 'standard fare'. I actually liked watching the show this time compared to others this year. The main reason being that the whole tone of the show, and investigators, seems to have improved. While Steve and Tango's box debunking may seem mundane to some, I thought it was a step in the right direction to figure out what had happened at the time that it happened, instead of blowing it off and waiting 'till the evidence review. They did a good job, and I was glad to see their enthusiasum!
I agree with Logisti about the figure seen by multiple people. I found this to be more credible than the other accounts.
One other thing that I thought was a good change was that they are setting up DVR's along with the IR cameras. Kind of as a back up in case they catch something?? They may have done this before, but I don't remember them pointing it out like they did on this show. I just remember the DVR's as being hand held unless it was put down temporarily by an investigator.
As for the voice? I wasn't even going to talk about it, but after reading Lar's comments I will say that I also felt that the expression on the clients face got my attention also. I'm not sure what is going on there, but as I was watching him, the warning bells were going off in my head.
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Jef @ 8:20 am
Best part of this episode was that it led to an A-team reference from Logisti. Is it me or is it time for a Mr. T vs Ghost Hunters, or does such a beast already exist?
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Wes @ 8:49 am
First impression regarding the "voice" was that this was the prep run for the voice we heard on Halloween (I think it's fair to assume this was shot before the Halloween episode). In both cases, we have a voice near Grant, with the same pre-recorded quality, while Grant is fiddling with a recorder. In this case, even Jay acknowledged the "electronic" quality of the voice by asking if it was the walkie-talkie, and then we have the spectacle of Grant waving the recorder around saying, see, see, it's NOT the recorder!!
The "voice" even sounded like the one from Halloween (I'm guessing the TAPS board is abuzz with speculation that a talkative spirit has attached itself to Grant). Perhaps hearing the same voice, with the same sight of Grant fiddling with a recorder, is what made Jay seem less than amused by the Halloween episode voice?
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CrowTRobot @ 9:47 am
The Roto-Rooter bits don't really bother me - just a commercial. But ya gotta love the phone conversation: Kris: "Gotta case in California…" J&G: "OK. As soon as we finish installing this washer, we'll be on our way."
It was good to see Steve and Tango as real investigators and not just buffoons.
The voice: (sitting here, shaking my head) Puleeeese stop. Just……….stop. And correct me if I'm wrong, but did they refer to it as an EVP?
The rock: I know I'd throw a rock at Kris if I had a chance.
Actually, it did occur to me that perhaps the rock and the papers falling out of the box could be related. But I don't know that the rock could have landed with enough force to shake the floor forcing the papers to fall. Especially since, if I"m not mistake, the events happened on different floors. But it was a thought.
EDIT: The 'telephone game'. Logisti, that has been an issue for a long time. I can recall episodes where the owner would say something like, "I saw a figure in the corner…" And as the night went on, it would become, "People have reported seeing full apparitions in this room…" You would think the editing people would catch that and ….. well ….. fix it.
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Patrick @ 10:02 am
Let's face it, this place is being renovated to be a haunted hotel/bed & breakfast. They had to come up with something. This investigation was no more than a 38 minute commercial for the new haunted hotel. When they didn't get anything of consequence, they did the voice. And the haunted flashlight. I wouldn't be surprised that those scenes were filmed after the actual investigation turned up nothing. But once the notice scrawled across the screen at the beginning about it being turned into a haunted hotel, I knew something "big" would be caught.
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Nosfer @ 10:17 am
@Wes, I think EVP is becoming a catchall term used to describe any audio "evidence" regardless of how it is caught. More misuse, more credibility hits.
Even if they debunked the silverware (not convinced but let's say they did) I would like to see the video of the ones crossing that Grant found. Even if it _was_ magnetism, at least show the utensils "in action" It would have been an extra 8 seconds maybe which they could easily have made up for by trimming out some other fluff like tearing open an appliance box, cough cough
The light turning on and the cameraman's movement and non-movement needs to be dug into deeper. Haven't checked if there are youtubes of both scenes yet.
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jack @ 10:32 am
Well, I didn't like that voice.
Liked all the featured debunking and testing.
Saw something odd, and probably nothing–when Steve was showing angle the stuffed animal was ON the chair, but when they went into the basement it was on the floor…probably someone just moved it, but it was interesting for a second.
Don't mind the Roto-Rooter segments at all, as stated, they're commercials–and occasionally they highlight good causes–like the Habitat one.
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Lar @ 10:45 am
I knew I heard of this place before. Here is their live internet TV show. I've watched it before. A self proclaimed most haunted location with Amateurs running about. NOTHING happens. AWFUL.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/haunted-wolfe-manor-live
I can't stress it enough. Watch the expression of the owner's face upon hear the voice. He's either
A. Not sure if he's gotten caught.
B. Not sure if he's just gotten away with pulling a prank.
C. Doesn't hear anything but a guy on a walkie, until Grant makes him aware of the voice.
Now that you know the guy's wired for live broadcast that narrows it down to 2 possibilities, sorry TAP HEADS (true devote followers of Taps)but it isn't paranormal. Either Mr. Sanitarium or the G man is guilty.
Similarities of it being G are greater. This episode & the Halloween special are too much alike. Voice is only heard when G is in the room, recorder in hand, back to the camera or just off camera. Each X, J believes it's an outside source.
Here's their myspace page too:
MySpace.com - Haunted Wolfe Manor LIVE - 86 - Female - Clovis, California - http://www.myspace.com/wolfeshow
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CrowTRobot @ 11:33 am
Lar posted: "I knew I heard of this place before. Here is their live internet TV show. I've watched it before. A self proclaimed most haunted location with Amateurs running about. NOTHING happens. AWFUL.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/haunted-wolfe-manor-live"
Interesting; and was that our Robb in one of those pictures? Interesting.
EDIT: Logisti, I'm not rushing you, but I've got a serious issue with the 2nd episode that I need to get off my chest.
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andrea @ 11:48 am
When I heard that "EVP" it was like going back into time to the Halloween show. I was thinking to myself.. Wow, they have a lot of chutzpah to fake another voice so soon, so boldly.. but maybe that's why they did it. It was just depressing this show, because I just can't take them seriously now.
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andrea @ 11:50 am
What is going on with these long hauls? Are we to believe that Steve actually drives across the country at the drop of the hat because he won't fly? I've done that trip before, and it takes 50 hours from the east coast. This bugs me for some reason. Guess I just don't trust them with anything now.
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Nosfer @ 12:02 pm
It would be really interesting to make up a timeline of evidence classifications. For example, when do the real loud clear voices (notice I don't say EVPs) start being captured, what is the frequency of their captures after the first occurrence?
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Stephen @ 12:27 pm
Nosfer– I think that's a good idea. I'll work on a table of their different types of evidence. The first one I remember hearing was at HoofFinFeathers. Then they seemed to be every other episode or so.
This one seemed a bit clearer than their previous. I downloaded the episode and did a little analysis. (Preliminary only, so I'm probably wrong– tear it apart.)
1. This time it's a normal voice speaking, rather than our previous distorted whispers. Doesn't seem as tinny. If it's being played from one of their little recorders, this one has a better speaker, or the recording was better quality.
2. I tried speeding it up and slowing it down to see if I could match Grant or Jay. Nope. Something about the recording does sound slowed down, though.
3. There does seem to be a clicking sound after the voice. Hard to make out, since Grant is jumping around, but there are two clicks– "pop pop"– kind of like someone playing with a pen.
And that's my fun for the morning. Off to work.
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PatAttack @ 12:33 pm
I hate I missed the Full Moon Fever but I digress. The "EVP"?, is an absolute joke! I am a Sound Engineer and can tell you that sound is coming from an electronic device. It's getting to the point where I can't hardly watch anymore. Grant has the biggest bandwagon for all of the fakery but it could also be the owner. All I can say is Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake. That Is All.
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Harry @ 12:39 pm
Random thoughts:
1) Keep in mind the SciFi channel is owned by GE. This is "Green Week" on GE's media properties, so it's no surprise last night's show opened with a plug for one of GE's enviro-friendly appliances.
2) But after that "save our environment" spiel, the crew loads up into a pair of GMC gasguzzlers for a trip to California! To be ideologically consistent, shouldn't they have gotten into a pair of Escape hybrids or other enviro-friendly vehicles??
3) I LOVED the disembodied voice!! I need all the laughs I can get these days, and I roared at that bit of "evidence"!
4) Kris and Amy claim the found a rock that had apparently been thrown, but in the reveal Jay and Grant described it as a piece of concrete. A rock apparently being thrown in an empty building is mysterious. A piece of concrete falling in a building undergoing renovation isn't mysterious. Rock or chunk of concrete—–which was it?
At least the GH crew seemed to be more engaged than other episodes this season.
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Logisti @ 1:42 pm
@ Leslie: Just a point of interest, the handheld camera they use is the Mini-DV, the ones Steve set up are attached to the DVR system (on the laptop). I totally agree this episode was more fun than some others we've seen this season and they did seem more enthusiastic. By "standard fare" I really only meant the level of evidence.
@ CrowTRobot: The Roto-Rooter bits only bother me in the sense that they're trying to pass off a clearly staged event as "Reality" in a show that doesn't need to be giving people more reasons to doubt their credibility. I'm sure a lot of people watch that and ask themselves, if J&G are willing to stage that, what else might they be staging? As Phoenixmagi pointed out, perhaps the flashlight. Perhaps other stuff too. Not helpful to them
Working on the 2nd write-up now…
@ jack: Since the original report was that the stuffed animal was on the floor and moved to the chair someone probably took it off the chair and put it on the floor before the investigation started in order to see if it would happen again. That's my guess, anyway.
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jack @ 2:20 pm
Yeah, I kinda figured it was nothing, but when you're just watching the episode, if you're observant, it LOOKED like something, y'know?
I kinda wish now that I hadn't said anything about it–I might've been able to figure out a way to see how observant people are. Kinda like a real-time version of that card trick video. C'est la guerre.
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Leslie @ 2:42 pm
Logisti-
Sorry.
Thanks for the info on the cameras. I actually know the difference, but I think that in my early morning, pre-coffee infused state, I wasn't very clear.
What I was talking about was that Steve said that he said set up a mini-DV in the kitchen on the cabinets, along with the other camera set up for the kitchen.
I missed the part about this becomming a haunted hotel. That's very interesting, although, at the same time, why am I not too surprised?! With that in mind, they HAD to find something.
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Brenda Lee @ 3:53 pm
Hi everyone,
I've been quietly reading posts for some time. Like many others, I've come to regard what was once a favorite show with a huge dose of skepticism and sadness. I was very disappointed in the Live event, and it has tainted any further episodes of GH. That said, I wonder if the disembodied voice in this episode was from Grant or the owner. I think a good deal of suspiscion should fall on the owner's shoulders. For 7 years, the property was operated as a Halloween attraction, complete with sound system, special effects and spooky furniture. Since 2007 the owner has been trying to get the funds together and the city to approve the creation of a haunted hotel. Meanwhile, he is selling the opportunity to tour and "investigate" the house by the hour. I think he has a huge motive to create a haunt as well as the experience and means to do so. I also wonder at the fact that TAPs did not mention this former history of the location in their description of the location. Perhaps their own motive, as they are selling ghost hunts for next week?
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steveb101 @ 4:39 pm
Andrea asked about the long hauls. My guess–and this may also go to the comment about the disembodied voice so soon after the Live Halloween episode–namely that they probably tape a bunch of shows at one time and then space them out over the course of a season.
In other words, they probably made a West Coast swing (where Steve could go along), and hit several locations. Thus, the taping of this episode probably actually occurred prior to the Halloween episode, along with several other West Coast "haunts". After hearing a large number of tinny sounding disembodied voices over the taping of several episodes many weeks ago, hearing another one on a Live Halloween episode may be the reason for Jason's exasperated demeanor during said Live Event.
So, they go on a road trip, do several "investigations", and let us see them over the course of the season. It does require that they go back and film the Roto-Rooter setup seen at a later time. As someone said earlier, probably in Grant's basement. After all, I'm certain the Pilgrim camera crew doesn't follow J & G around to their product-placement paid-commercial-advertising plumbing "jobs".
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andrea @ 6:16 pm
Thanks Steve - that seems pretty likely seeing how it wouldn't make much sense to make that long haul more than they had to.
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Hal @ 6:50 pm
Phoenixmagi, are you kidding? You saw Kris W's. butt crack? Damn! Sorry I missed this episode! My DVD recorder had a glitch and failed to record the show!
Someone please tell me where I can catch the rerun. Due to all the fakery lately it's only risque scenes like that one that keep me interested in watching at all! 
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Nosfer @ 6:59 pm
I rather thought the owner was exhibiting the same smirking look that the Moss Beach front-man was. Was it a legit? who knows, but man those "EVPs" are getting loud. And _clear_ I didn't even need to have Jay give his interpretation of it before hearing what was said lol
Also got a kick over the misidentification of the dog as a bear!
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WontBeFooledAgain @ 7:01 pm
Ok, I just watched the episode several times and I did notice something that we can see in the reveal for the client but was not shown in the actual investigation. A second or so after Grant hears the "voice", he switches the digital recorder into his left hand and then his right hand dives into his pocket and then comes back out.
Now on the actual investigation, the camera pans over to J and so I missed it happening. But if you look at the footage during the client reveal and pay attention to G's right arm (and wall shadow especially), you see it very clearly.
My husband told me that I am now so tainted I can't even watch with an objective eye, that I have them convicted before the trial. That may be true….but it's hard to go back to taking them seriously after all of this. What a sham/shame.
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John Galt @ 7:43 pm
I'm new to this site, and like many of you, I am quite saddened by what GH has become…although the latest episode appeared to at least have them more on their game than recent shows.
I was wondering about the "rock" that Kris found (originally, all I could think of was Charlie Brown saying, "I got a rock" from "It's the Great Pumkin" - yeah, it's come to that this season). If Steve and Tango were bouncing around on the top floor (trying to get the papers to fall off of the box), could they have shaken loose some concrete from the building's main floor - thus causing the crash that KW and the other person heard while they were in the basement? Why, if you are truly trying to debunk things that they may "observe", wouldn't they offer that up as a possibility?
And, regarding the long haul to CA from RI - I agree that they simply must have loaded all of this season's west coast episodes into one trip. It's the most logical and efficient way to go. Being TV and all, I don't think that they need to speak to that - although, given GH's lowering standards in regard to its credibility, they might want to offer up a little more "behind the curtain" details.
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Nosfer @ 7:46 pm
Regarding the flashlight. I only can find the analysis and the investigation portions (not the reveal which may have another segment of footage) In the investigation it is at least 2 seconds from the time they say it just turned on to when the cameraman swings the camera down to look at it. In the film from the stationary camera, we do not get to see the required amount of time to encompass the swing. When Tango finds the incident, they first show a clip of the cameraman filming the ON flashlight. When he shows it to Steve and Kris, it starts with the flashlight OFF and we see it come ON but the film doesn't roll long enough to get to the point where the cameraman pans down to the floor. So, unless the reveal footage contains a longer segment, I'm going to say there's nothing out of the ordinary here (out of the ordinary as in being staged, I mean)
Edited: @John Galt Wouldn't timestamps be really nice so we could see if the jumping around corresponds with the rock falling?!?!
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andrea @ 7:54 pm
Is it just me, or is the whole flashlight bit sorta insignificant? I mean, any movement could trigger it, or they could have a remote control device like they make on mythbusters. I don't know, I think I'm a bit jaded after the halloween 08 event.
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CrowTRobot @ 7:55 pm
@ John Galt
I like your rock/papers scenerio better than mine. I had the rock creating enough disturbance to make the papers fall - which even I found difficult to believe. However, your theory: S&T jumping up and down to see if the papers would fall again, thus jarring the rock/concrete to fall, is very plausible.
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captainhiwatt @ 7:55 pm
Watched the reveal footage also, saw the hand switch,both flashlight and recorder in left hand now, hand down at right pocket area and back to switch hands with the recorder back to right hand.suspicious? NOT AT ALL ! that's why Jay says "you got your walkie" as soon as it happens, and the guilty conscience pops up "it's not the recorder" seems someone has alerted them we're not as gullible as they wish. My 30 years in audio tells me a 4 inch speaker was haunting that place, the reverb to make it sound if it came from a farther distance away than it actually was-a nice touch. Way too clear, it least TRY to make at least sound spooky-spirity Jeez ! and This Is my Favorite show for petes sake! Where Is Frank the sound guy when we need him!
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Nosfer @ 8:13 pm
Uh, why is Kris reviewing the footage on the tiny LCD camera screen? Haven't they said multiple times (including this episode) that the screen is too small to tell anything?
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ninjakitty @ 8:24 pm
Wow, after watching this episode, I want to:
* use Roto Rooter for my plumbing
* buy a GE dishwasher
* have sex with Amy Bruni?
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windwhisperer @ 9:49 pm
At the beginning of the show they showed on-screen that it "will soon be transformed into a haunted hotel called The Wolfe Manor Hotel". Then it said "this factoid brought to you by your neighborhood Applebees" I figured it was my cable carrier with all the stupid stuff at the bottom third of the screen as usual. Just out of curiousity, does anybody else ever see that junk? Stuff about upcoming shows etc.?
Anyway, sorry I went off for a second. Suddenly they're hearing voices without a recorder. But this one took the cake. Didn't they think for a second that everybody was going to rip this one to shreds.
And since when is Jason so ready to declare a place haunted. Wasn't that his thing, that he just couldn't say a place was "haunted" unless he had absolute proof. Well I guess maybe he just lowered his standards.
Logisti, funny comment about slipping Steve some valium in his OJ. The only way to fly.
Oh I just don't know anymore. It used to be a bit of a challenge to figure out how this or that could have happened. Now it's just all out there.
Look out guys. The new GA guys are in town are getting pretty popular.
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Lar @ 7:03 am
If you're investigating a locale which (from what I've read) is an eye sore & an issue with the neighborhood, not because it's haunted , but because it's a "spooky," house. One that generates income as a Halloween attraction, personal tours offering possible paranormal activity & one that broadcasts live haunts online, wouldn't you say NO. This only proves that if your home/location has a history of something bad, evil, death resulting, most of which cannot be verified, often times ther'ye just stories handed down, or worse, recently told by your cousin's girlfriend's sister who saw a shadow, you too can be TAPPED.
If anyone missed it all 3 parts are here:
THE PARANORMAL CASEBOOK: VIDEOS: GHOST HUNTERS - CLOVIS SANITARIUM
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Lar @ 7:12 am
Sorry forgot to add this to my post above:
This is video of the Clovis Internet TV show. This makes GH(Grant Hoaxer)look legit.
clovis sanitarium - Google Video
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Oubliette @ 8:36 am
It's pretty hard to ignore the obvious plugs in this episode and probably many more to come.
Besides the always present Roto Rooter, now there is GE with comments made by J & G about either the packaging and/or the dishwasher (can't remember which).
As windwhisperer has written, notice that now there are cute pop-ups that irritatingly appear at the bottom, using words like "haunting" and such for their advertising. When that little blurp about the haunted hotel appeared, I lost any doubt that they have sold out. This must cost advertisers like Applebee's extra money for those little bits, so obviously GH is a big cash cow for SciFi. Well, maybe up until the Live show. Too early to tell. I don't think the fallout will be felt at corporate headquarters until next year at the earliest.
And where are they mostly investigating? Places of business, in one way or the other. And of course they are getting ridiculous pieces of evidence that are highly suspect. Has the show turned into one big promo for various types of businesses and products? Seems so to me.
I am really bothered by the fact that other investigative groups go for months on end without coming up with something that everyone agrees may be a piece of viable evidence. GH seems to hit one out of the ballpark on almost every show. Now that's a sure sign that something is not right. It is an insult to all the other, smaller groups out there who are really sincere about what they are doing.
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hammer1 @ 9:59 am
FYI. I don't get those pop up ads on Direct TV. Probably a cable company deal. I too was taken aback with the GE product placement within the show. I'm sure there's plenty more to come in upcoming episodes.
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