Leave Grant Alone! Grant did not throw those hangers.
They found the spirit of Joan Crawford because the EVP Said, "NO MORE WIRE HANGERS EVER!!!!"

Thank you so much for pointing out the location of Grant versus the location of the hanger. I mentioned that in my response to the McKeehan House. I'm glad that someone else saw it, too!

MissBlue, actually I wouldn't have noticed it explicitly until you pointed it out, so thank YOU!

And I want to go back to one of the Fort episodes where he and Grant are sitting at a table when a cannon-like sound goes off. Jason, like most of us would have, jumped. It startled him that much and IT came from outside.

Now, something (turned out to be a coat hanger) lands at his FEET; yet, there is no reaction but a glance in that direction.

I'm sorry, I don't care how seasoned you are: you're sitting in the dark and something unexpected lands at your feet – it's got to startle you.

November 10, 2008
Diogenes @ 1:37 pm
Leave Grant Alone! Grant did not throw those hangers.
They found the spirit of Joan Crawford because the EVP Said, "NO MORE WIRE HANGERS EVER!!!!"

In reply to Diogenes….
That is way too funny. Thank you.

I think I saw a figure in the grassy knoll !!!
regards,
Anthon

I remember, I was there. He look like either LBJ or Nixon.
No I wasn't there I was in High School English Class, trying to grab the pretty girl's leg that sat in back of me when it came over the speakers that Kennedy took a head shot.
But enough of that, this isn't the T…. Board.
This episode is the pits. We should play Taps for TAPS.

I agree Diogenes, this is the pits ! For the last few years I'd fooled myself about these two. This really is the nail after the nail after the nail. I just feel empty. Glad for this site. I felt such a connection to these two. Not often am I fooled this way. Hindsight says I should have known better. We should have a 3 step program.
Hi !
My name is Anthon.
1)I believed.

2)I Saw

3)I'm not drinkin' the Kool Aid anymore

Regards,
Anthon
P.S
@CROWTROBOT. Was that an MLS reference I saw ? Almost as rare as ghost footage.

I'm glad you posted that video. I didn't want to watch the episode (still to upset from Halloween) but I have heard so much about Hangergate that it was nice to have a condensed version. I didn't have to wade through the "fluff".

Seriously, please, someone tell me how to remain skeptical and not just incredulous.?.!.?.!.
Anyone ?
Anyone ?

Anthon asked, "@CROWTROBOT. Was that an MLS reference I saw ? Almost as rare as ghost footage."

Rep to you, sir. Yes, it was. I saw an opportunity and snuck it in there. I don't live in the DC area, but respect their organization.

First, while we've beaten Fort Delaware to a pulp , this is another nice video debunk,truly showing Grant's fidgiting:
YouTube – Jacket Pull Debunk
The coat hanger reminds me of the episode (I don't recall the title) where they're investigating two homes side by side. Maybe in Attelboro Ma. There's a wind chime INSIDE next to Grant. The camera pans back to Jay & you hear the chime ringing. When asked Grants says he didn't touch it.

Can someone create a list of "Granted," Paranormal activity. I don't mean the K-2 stuff, bogus shadows or fraudulant Flir images. I mean the stuff that moved, or happened directly to him.
A lamp moved that he sat next to.
A picture frame moved in the room he slept in.
A table he is sitting at suddenly jumps up.
One word: TUG!
Two words: Coat hangers!
His bed sheets were pulled (that was one of the worst).
Eastern State Penitentiary. Always thought this was Brian , but it could've been Grant.

So tell me guys, what's the verdict?

Personally, I thought the case for the Jacket was very strong, but I'm not entirely sure if there's a smoking gun there. Grant fiddling with the controls on the digital audio recorder also seems very suspect, but I'm not convinced it really proves anything beyond a shadow of doubt.

So what about this? Does this video prove beyond a doubt that the hanger came from where Grant was sitting? And if so, is that enough to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that he threw it?

In other words, did we finally catch Grant holding a smoking gun?

Logisti, I'm afraid it still comes down to this: no matter how it looks – and it looks bad – we still don't actually SEE him throw the hanger. That's his out. Even though every other possibility is……let's just say, unlikely.

CrowTRobot, I would argue that the reason it's called a "smoking gun" is because you may not have caught the guy in the act of firing it, but you know that he did (because it's still smoking). Likewise when we discuss reasonable doubt we like to have as little doubt as possible, but at some point it's going to be unreasonable to expect there to possibly be any less doubt than there already is.

So let's discuss the alternate possibilities. If this video does not prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Grant threw the hanger, then what else might be going on?

As I see it, we know for a fact that the hanger came from the direction in which he was sitting, that he was the only person in that part of the room, that there shouldn't have been any hangers near him (because the hanger rack was on the other side of the room) and that he indicated that he saw the hanger come from that opposite side of the room, which we know for a fact it did not.

To me, that seems like conclusive proof that Grant not only threw the hanger, but also lied about it. The only other explanation I can think of that is even remotely plausible is that either there was someone else in the room near Grant (a sound guy, perhaps) or it was the camera operator who somehow threw it with an outstretched right arm. Besides stretching credulity, both of those scenarios require the act to be done within plain sight of both investigators. At least with Grant we know the camera operator was facing away from him and Jay was looking in the other direction.

If you've got more alternatives I'm certainly open to them. I must say though that I don't find it remotely plausible that a hanger floated across the room from the hanger rack to Grant without being seen (or materialized next to Grant without being seen), threw itself at Jay, and somehow tricked Grant into seeing it flying towards Jay from the other side of the room. That's not reasonable, it's not plausible, it's just silly.

So I put forth a Devil's Advocacy challenge. Is there a reasonable explanation I've missed?

Unfortunately Logisti, I have an alternative. This is a taped episode. We don't know exactly how many takes they did or where it is edited. I think unless we have the unedited version there will be some doubt.
IMO- Grant threw the hanger!

Logisti wrote
So let's discuss the alternate possibilities. If this video does not prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Grant threw the hanger, then what else might be going on?

Occam's razor,the simplest solution is the best
A theory that introduces the fewest assumptions.

The preponderance is based on the more convincing evidence and its probable truth or accuracy, and not on the amount of evidence.

Logisti wrote
So I put forth a Devil's Advocacy challenge. Is there a reasonable explanation I've missed?

The reasonable explanation is. Grant, the soundman or the cameraman tossed the hangers. Those are three alternatives, the rest is up to TAPS to show us that a spirit picked up and tossed a coat hanger,and it can be done with absolutely no other explanations seeming plausible.

Logisti, of course you are correct. The 'smoking gun' part flew right over my head. I assumed we already had enough of those to open an armory – I was looking to catch Grant crimson-fisted. I can offer no other plausible explanation for the hanger.

CrowTRobot, Stephen and I have discussed this at some length and for the most part any single "Grant" event can at best (or worst) be labeled "highly suspicious" but there hasn't really been a smoking gun.

Now, there are some aspects to "Jacketgate" that come close and might actually pass the requirements, but they're subtle. For the rest, it's the sheer volume of circumstantial evidence leveled at Grant and only Grant (another, overarching piece of circumstance) that seems really damning, but even that is somewhat of a house of cards because none of the cases it is built on are really conclusive. The race rock chair *might* have moved due to a tremor no one felt, etc.

That's what I feel the value of this video is. It's simple, it's conclusive. Even the most die-hard, loyalist TAPS fan will find it difficult to believe anything Grant says after they see it.

@ Queen of the Nerds, I did consider that the show is edited but that goes back to my list of implausible explanations. There is no question that the hanger came from where Grant was sitting, so are we going to question whether Grant was sitting there *at the exact moment* the hanger flew? Is it reasonable to suggest maybe he left to use the bathroom when the event occurred? That still leaves us with a hanger coming from where he was sitting instead of from the hanger rack, so I don't think it's plausible.

He's boxed in here, the only ways out are either nearly as damaging & distasteful as they are incredible (claiming the camera was accidentally off for the 2nd hanger and this was a recreation) or literally unbelievable (saying he left the room to use the bathroom and a ghost levitated a hanger over to where he'd been sitting before throwing it at Jason).

I noticed this as soon as it happened. I said, that's not where the closet was, it is where Grant was.

I'll still watch the show to see how G tries to deceive us.