Does it not light up when Joe says 'ok' at the end, or does the angle just not show the lights?

It does light up when Joe says "Okay", the lights are at the very bottom of the video frame, almost (but not quite) cut off. You should still be able to see them though.

AHEM, TOLD YA'

Another debunk to the 'debunkers'

No doubt, both times he hits the button, it lights up. This is the first time we've seen someone use a radio with a K-II in hand that I remember.

Doh!

This is a great find, and confirms the speculation on another thread a couple of weeks ago.

I'd like to know more about which frequency ranges the K-II is most sensitive to and the minimum transmitter power required to trigger the K-II. Could the transmitter in a car key used in a keyless entry system trigger it?

These guys did some actual testing with radios setting off the KII –

"The K-II Meter will pick up cell phone signals within a 6-foot radius, car alarms within a 10-foot radius, and 2-way radios/Walkie Talkies within a 50+-foot radius."

http://www.liparanormalinvestigators.com/k2.shtml

ok cool, there it is. I was looking at the Audio Recorder.

Well, that's pretty damning evidence. It would seem that these guys are just a couple of charlatans and based on the comments of Brenda in Altoona, always have been.

and it picks up fakers at 2 yards, it also reels in suckers all over the country. This is the thing that made me give up on GH. Maybe it was picking up Kris' discuss at her choice to join TAPS. K-II – another technical horse chestnut brought to you by the letter "S"
for Schlock

Wow, I posted my exp. with my dads old walkie and the fact that it had a similar meter on the first post after the halloween special (so im treating this as my unaccredited theory), all the same Im really glad to see this is gaining acceptance, I think its likely that several of the newer electrical devices will cause spikes in the k-2 meter if within a few feet. I think the hand held radios they use are the easiest and most likely thing they use for the effect and its probaly something very hard to see stuck down in side-back pockets during sessions.
Its a shame because they put on quite a show with those things this year, and I figure someone on the set probaly stumbled on to this trick by accident.

The question is, who's doing it? A few weeks ago I might have wondered if someone from the camera crew etc. was trying to pull one over on the TAPS team. But after recent events, and the fact that it only happens with Jay and Grant using the K2, well…..

Here's a good video about the k2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMGTn_msC4c

I guess the editors missed that one but if enough is said about it when they show the rerun it wont be there. Just like the Manson episode rerun and the way they edited out Grant throwing whatever it was out of his collar from last nights reveal. The Manson episode is when I believe we saw the first k2 and the faked FlIR video That is where they lost me and it's been all down hill since.

god, that is pathetic.

Grant knows all of this and all Ghost Hunter fans know that they make sure all cell phones and walkies are turned off during the k2 sessions and they wont be fooled. The following is a blog from Grants MYSPACE

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=20763368&blogID=443221314

October 23, 2008 – Thursday
What We Know About the K-II Meter

There is a lot of controversy about the K-II meter that we experiment with on our investigations. The K-II is the small meter with multi-colored lights that we use to detect magnetic fields and frequency.

We use this in two ways. The first, is as it was originally intended, to detect magnetic fields. If we find a high field, that field could be the cause of a false sense of paranormal activity.

The second way is to try and communicate with entities. It would seem, and we still aren't firm believers yet (if ever), that you can instruct an entity to approach the device and the device will respond to an entity which is in close proximity to the device. If this is true, then one could, in theory, have the entity approach the device and make the lights illuminate to indicate an affirmative answer to a question.

So, now that you know how we use it, here are the shortcomings of the device that we know of so far. We feel you should know these shortcomings so that you can not be fooled by it, and also that you all know that WE know these shortcomings.

1. The Power Button – The power button on the device requires the user to hold it down in order for the device to function. The problem with this is that, no matter how strong you are, after a while of holding the button, your thumb will start to fatigue. When this happens, the lights on the device will illuminate, giving a false reading.

We bypass this problem easily and inexpensively by shoving a coin in the switch, effectively wedging the power button on. We have also had some K-II's modified with a hard-wired toggle switch, this is great but some people don't trust a K-II that has been opened up and modified. So, we use both.

2. Cell Phones & Walkies – A little known fact about the K-II is that is also detects frequencies. A cell phone, or a walkie/two-way radio can set off the K-II as far as 20 feet away. This can easily fool people into thinking they are communicating with an entity when actually, their cell phone is looking for signal, or another investigator is trying to reach them on their walkie.

We avoid this by shutting off our cell phones and walkies during K-II sessions. Plus, with a little bit of experience, it is VERY easy to identify when the readings are caused by a cell phone or walkie. The device will continually flash very quickly when it is detecting a cell phone. It will spike similarly but not as intensely when it is a walkie. A small two-way radio can give false readings that are almost EXACTLY like those that are believed to be paranormal. So, PLEASE, be careful.

3. The Green Light – When using the K-II, you find yourself staring at the green light waiting for some response. The problem here is that you spend the whole session staring at the light while potentially missing other paranormal activity.

Friends of ours have hard-wired a tiny speaker in the device that will emit a beep that repeats more frequently the higher the reading is. This is great because, your ears are able to pick up any reading, leaving your eyes to be more vigilant. It also allows you to record the whole event with just a digital recorder.

So, as of right now, we know that the device has its flaws as do ALL the devices we use. But we will continue to experiment and determine the best fit for this device in the field. I just wanted you all to know what we know, and that we are going to great lengths to ensure that we are NOT being fooled by the device.

That was a great debunk. I cruised on the TAPS message boards tonight. I've had an id for a while but rarely get in there. I think people forget that Jason and Grant are just people. They're not super-human. They can be manipulated or manipulate. They have egos and faults. They might even be totally innocent of intentional wrong doing. It doesn't matter. When evidence surfaces to debunk one of their theories or shine light on questionable events, it's not a personal attack on J and Grant and it doesn't prove or disprove the paranormal. It is what it is. Despite what J and Grant say, they are looking for the paranormal. They want to find it. That influences their decisions, actions, and conclusions. Getting huffy about some one suggesting your hero is fallible is stupid. If you want to prove your heroes right, then get out there and set up an experiment or twenty to help validate what they're doing using REAL science.

Seems strange that Grant felt the need to post this on his myspace page after it was brought up at this site a couple of months ago.
After the discussion here and Joe Chin's slip up, me thinks we'll be seeing less of K-II evidence and Joe Chin.

The house is crumbling J & G, get out while you can.

I think it's perfectly normal for Grant to have posted about this on his MySpace page — he's basically saying, yes they're aware of potential issues but they take precautions to prevent them from contaminating the evidence. The only problem is I simply don't believe him.

…and forget about all of the evidence we've examined and all the reasons many of us don't trust Grant personally, what about the rest of the cast and crew? Even if we had no reason to be suspicious of anyone, they're conducting experiments which they *know* can be remotely manipulated by *anyone* on their team or on Pilgrim's crew, and when they suddenly start getting unbelievable (literally) results they announce that they've made contact with a little boy, or a lady from the 1940's or whomever?

With something so easily manipulated it's irresponsible to assume a building full of people with the motive and opportunity are simply going to turn their radios off and resist the urge to tap the "unlock" button on their car alarm remote every time a question is asked.

Sure, TAPS can't be expected to conduct experiments in a completely controlled environment, but the mere fact of how easily the K-II can be remotely lit-up means that all of these K-II sessions are of equivalent evidenciary value to a TAPS investigator claiming that something touched them.

What really brings everything home for me though, is the fact that this all of a sudden started getting results just recently (and only for Jay & Grant) and the TAPS team hasn't seemed the least bit suspicious or hesitant to call it paranormal. Either they are too credulous to consider the possibility of hoaxing or they simply don't care as long as it looks paranormal to the fans.

If I recall correctly, Ghost Hunters has already been renewed for another season after this one. I'm going to continue being as fair as I know how, but if they keep going in the direction they seem to be going — well, if they want to sell their integrity for $$ they would do well to bear in mind once they retire they can't just go to the integrity store and buy more to replace it.

Pay attention when you watch the show as to who uses what equipment. I find it telling that Steve and Tango are never caught with KII meters or anything like that.

They also always do base readings of rooms for EMF's
To me they are the only two that have retained their Integrity for me. They also do the majority of the debunking leaving the "Fun" for others.

And once again we stand in the place where people have gotten to the point where it's all fake.

Grant admitted the flaws–and said they take precautions, but so what?

The entire show relies on integrity. Without it, it's Most Haunted or Paranormal State.

And yet everyone is so sure they'd trade that integrity for ratings.

Grant's post there basically tells any and all who care to listen that all the K-II results might be fake. Why would he do that if he was hoaxing with the K-II?

Jack,
I'm at work and don't have time to go into detail.
But are you sure you are watching the same show that we are?
Have you ever heard the phrase 'damage control or CYA'.