Does it not light up when Joe says 'ok' at the end, or does the angle just not show the lights?

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It does light up when Joe says "Okay", the lights are at the very bottom of the video frame, almost (but not quite) cut off. You should still be able to see them though.

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AHEM, TOLD YA'

Another debunk to the 'debunkers'

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No doubt, both times he hits the button, it lights up. This is the first time we've seen someone use a radio with a K-II in hand that I remember.

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Doh!

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This is a great find, and confirms the speculation on another thread a couple of weeks ago.

I'd like to know more about which frequency ranges the K-II is most sensitive to and the minimum transmitter power required to trigger the K-II. Could the transmitter in a car key used in a keyless entry system trigger it?

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These guys did some actual testing with radios setting off the KII -

"The K-II Meter will pick up cell phone signals within a 6-foot radius, car alarms within a 10-foot radius, and 2-way radios/Walkie Talkies within a 50+-foot radius."

http://www.liparanormalinvestigators.com/k2.shtml

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ok cool, there it is. I was looking at the Audio Recorder.

Well, that's pretty damning evidence. It would seem that these guys are just a couple of charlatans and based on the comments of Brenda in Altoona, always have been.

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and it picks up fakers at 2 yards, it also reels in suckers all over the country. This is the thing that made me give up on GH. Maybe it was picking up Kris' discuss at her choice to join TAPS. K-II - another technical horse chestnut brought to you by the letter "S"
for Schlock

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Wow, I posted my exp. with my dads old walkie and the fact that it had a similar meter on the first post after the halloween special (so im treating this as my unaccredited theory), all the same Im really glad to see this is gaining acceptance, I think its likely that several of the newer electrical devices will cause spikes in the k-2 meter if within a few feet. I think the hand held radios they use are the easiest and most likely thing they use for the effect and its probaly something very hard to see stuck down in side-back pockets during sessions.
Its a shame because they put on quite a show with those things this year, and I figure someone on the set probaly stumbled on to this trick by accident.

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The question is, who's doing it? A few weeks ago I might have wondered if someone from the camera crew etc. was trying to pull one over on the TAPS team. But after recent events, and the fact that it only happens with Jay and Grant using the K2, well…..

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Here's a good video about the k2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMGTn_msC4c

I guess the editors missed that one but if enough is said about it when they show the rerun it wont be there. Just like the Manson episode rerun and the way they edited out Grant throwing whatever it was out of his collar from last nights reveal. The Manson episode is when I believe we saw the first k2 and the faked FlIR video That is where they lost me and it's been all down hill since.

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god, that is pathetic.

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Grant knows all of this and all Ghost Hunter fans know that they make sure all cell phones and walkies are turned off during the k2 sessions and they wont be fooled. The following is a blog from Grants MYSPACE

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=20763368&blogID=443221314

October 23, 2008 - Thursday
What We Know About the K-II Meter

There is a lot of controversy about the K-II meter that we experiment with on our investigations. The K-II is the small meter with multi-colored lights that we use to detect magnetic fields and frequency.

We use this in two ways. The first, is as it was originally intended, to detect magnetic fields. If we find a high field, that field could be the cause of a false sense of paranormal activity.

The second way is to try and communicate with entities. It would seem, and we still aren't firm believers yet (if ever), that you can instruct an entity to approach the device and the device will respond to an entity which is in close proximity to the device. If this is true, then one could, in theory, have the entity approach the device and make the lights illuminate to indicate an affirmative answer to a question.

So, now that you know how we use it, here are the shortcomings of the device that we know of so far. We feel you should know these shortcomings so that you can not be fooled by it, and also that you all know that WE know these shortcomings.

1. The Power Button - The power button on the device requires the user to hold it down in order for the device to function. The problem with this is that, no matter how strong you are, after a while of holding the button, your thumb will start to fatigue. When this happens, the lights on the device will illuminate, giving a false reading.

We bypass this problem easily and inexpensively by shoving a coin in the switch, effectively wedging the power button on. We have also had some K-II's modified with a hard-wired toggle switch, this is great but some people don't trust a K-II that has been opened up and modified. So, we use both.

2. Cell Phones & Walkies - A little known fact about the K-II is that is also detects frequencies. A cell phone, or a walkie/two-way radio can set off the K-II as far as 20 feet away. This can easily fool people into thinking they are communicating with an entity when actually, their cell phone is looking for signal, or another investigator is trying to reach them on their walkie.

We avoid this by shutting off our cell phones and walkies during K-II sessions. Plus, with a little bit of experience, it is VERY easy to identify when the readings are caused by a cell phone or walkie. The device will continually flash very quickly when it is detecting a cell phone. It will spike similarly but not as intensely when it is a walkie. A small two-way radio can give false readings that are almost EXACTLY like those that are believed to be paranormal. So, PLEASE, be careful.

3. The Green Light - When using the K-II, you find yourself staring at the green light waiting for some response. The problem here is that you spend the whole session staring at the light while potentially missing other paranormal activity.

Friends of ours have hard-wired a tiny speaker in the device that will emit a beep that repeats more frequently the higher the reading is. This is great because, your ears are able to pick up any reading, leaving your eyes to be more vigilant. It also allows you to record the whole event with just a digital recorder.

So, as of right now, we know that the device has its flaws as do ALL the devices we use. But we will continue to experiment and determine the best fit for this device in the field. I just wanted you all to know what we know, and that we are going to great lengths to ensure that we are NOT being fooled by the device.

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That was a great debunk. I cruised on the TAPS message boards tonight. I've had an id for a while but rarely get in there. I think people forget that Jason and Grant are just people. They're not super-human. They can be manipulated or manipulate. They have egos and faults. They might even be totally innocent of intentional wrong doing. It doesn't matter. When evidence surfaces to debunk one of their theories or shine light on questionable events, it's not a personal attack on J and Grant and it doesn't prove or disprove the paranormal. It is what it is. Despite what J and Grant say, they are looking for the paranormal. They want to find it. That influences their decisions, actions, and conclusions. Getting huffy about some one suggesting your hero is fallible is stupid. If you want to prove your heroes right, then get out there and set up an experiment or twenty to help validate what they're doing using REAL science.

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Seems strange that Grant felt the need to post this on his myspace page after it was brought up at this site a couple of months ago.
After the discussion here and Joe Chin's slip up, me thinks we'll be seeing less of K-II evidence and Joe Chin.

The house is crumbling J & G, get out while you can.

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I think it's perfectly normal for Grant to have posted about this on his MySpace page — he's basically saying, yes they're aware of potential issues but they take precautions to prevent them from contaminating the evidence. The only problem is I simply don't believe him.

…and forget about all of the evidence we've examined and all the reasons many of us don't trust Grant personally, what about the rest of the cast and crew? Even if we had no reason to be suspicious of anyone, they're conducting experiments which they *know* can be remotely manipulated by *anyone* on their team or on Pilgrim's crew, and when they suddenly start getting unbelievable (literally) results they announce that they've made contact with a little boy, or a lady from the 1940's or whomever?

With something so easily manipulated it's irresponsible to assume a building full of people with the motive and opportunity are simply going to turn their radios off and resist the urge to tap the "unlock" button on their car alarm remote every time a question is asked.

Sure, TAPS can't be expected to conduct experiments in a completely controlled environment, but the mere fact of how easily the K-II can be remotely lit-up means that all of these K-II sessions are of equivalent evidenciary value to a TAPS investigator claiming that something touched them.

What really brings everything home for me though, is the fact that this all of a sudden started getting results just recently (and only for Jay & Grant) and the TAPS team hasn't seemed the least bit suspicious or hesitant to call it paranormal. Either they are too credulous to consider the possibility of hoaxing or they simply don't care as long as it looks paranormal to the fans.

If I recall correctly, Ghost Hunters has already been renewed for another season after this one. I'm going to continue being as fair as I know how, but if they keep going in the direction they seem to be going — well, if they want to sell their integrity for $$ they would do well to bear in mind once they retire they can't just go to the integrity store and buy more to replace it.

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Pay attention when you watch the show as to who uses what equipment. I find it telling that Steve and Tango are never caught with KII meters or anything like that.

They also always do base readings of rooms for EMF's
To me they are the only two that have retained their Integrity for me. They also do the majority of the debunking leaving the "Fun" for others.

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And once again we stand in the place where people have gotten to the point where it's all fake.

Grant admitted the flaws–and said they take precautions, but so what?

The entire show relies on integrity. Without it, it's Most Haunted or Paranormal State.

And yet everyone is so sure they'd trade that integrity for ratings.

Grant's post there basically tells any and all who care to listen that all the K-II results might be fake. Why would he do that if he was hoaxing with the K-II?

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Jack,
I'm at work and don't have time to go into detail.
But are you sure you are watching the same show that we are?
Have you ever heard the phrase 'damage control or CYA'.

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jack, you're absolutely correct: the show relies on integrity. Grant's post would seem to build that integrity, the problem is that we have strong reasons to suspect Grant's integrity is severely compromised, therefore we cannot trust that his intentions are good, and therefore we must consider the possibility he posted that in order to cover his bases and give the still-faithful reason to believe his integrity was still as intact as ever.

If Grant had posted that before they began doing all of these "interviews" with the K-II it would have seemed far more natural and responsible of him. If he'd posted something like this back when the show was new and we had no reason to distrust the investigators then that would have been more credible as well.

Even then though, we still have an experiment that could be influences remotely by a camera operator or audio engineer without the investigators ever knowing. That just doesn't seem like an appropriate risk for a serious investigator to be taking, and instead of TAPS' integrity being in question now we have to question their judgment.

Ultimately, I assign no value to Grant's post one way or the other. It doesn't make me more or less suspicious because I can't know his motives. Similarly, the video above of the K-II lighting up doesn't prove that the K-II sessions we've witnessed were fake. It proves only that they could have been faked very easily without anyone else knowing.

As for the belief that they *were* in-fact faked, we know that J&G suddenly began having success with this technique out of nowhere this season, that no one else seems to have had success remotely approaching theirs, and we know that it could be easily faked remotely by anyone nearby. All combined, those facts suggest strongly that something fishy is indeed going on.

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We 'know' that no one else is having such success? How? Have other paranormal investigators gone to the same places, used the K-II, gotten dismal results and publicised it? I certainly haven't been able to find any such thing.

I didn't like the K-II when it first showed up, and I really want to see it being used by other teams before I think it's anything really great–but I'll wait to see that from other teams who aren't chasing after it simply to debunk.

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Jack,
your unwavering loyalty and refusal to be detered in your belief in TAPSs integrity in the face of increasing evidence to the contrary can be viewed as stubborness by some and an admirable quality by others. Suffice it to say that if I needed one person by my side in a tough time I'd hope he would be like you. Much like Jason is to Grant right now.

I respect your views. Understand this though, I believe that most on this site want or wanted to believe in the integrity of Ghost Hunters. Someone said on this site that they take no pleasure in this. I agree whole-heartedly. I hate this. I watched Ghost Hunters from the first,have every episode taped, felt a real connection to these people, regular Joes like myself. Looked forward to every Wednesday night, told my friends about the show, made my wife and son watch it. Bought the wife a TAPS t-shirt. In a peverse sort of way these people were my friends. Stupid ? Yeah maybe, but to each our own.

I don't consider myself a rocket scientist but I'm no simpleton either. I'm quite able to decide things for myself and willing to stick to my own conclusions. Much like yourself. Saying that, I started noticing inconsistencies in the show, often times disagreeing with some of the conclusions they came up with, I just chalked it up to them having to keep things interesting, if you never find anything the show will get quite boring in no time at all.

Now, this whole time TAPS claimed they were on the level, belittled other groups for manufacturing evidence. They had Yevette Fielding on their radio show, if you haven't, you should listen to that. It shows what hypocrites they've become. I gave them my trust and was betrayed. There are numerous examples on this site, but all you have to do is look at the Halloween show. I KNOW WHAT I SAW. Grant was carrying a camera, set it down for no reason whatsoever, glued his right hand to his side for no reason whatsoever, made himself the center of attention for no reason whatsoever, then went on to have the most spectacular paranormal experience anyone has ever caught on live television, all the while NEVER MOVING HIS RIGHT HAND FROM HIS SIDE BECAUSE IT WAS COLD OUTSIDE !!!!! Then he has the audacity to call me lame because I question his behavior and don't believe him when he says he can't even think how to fake something like that.UHHH….STRING?

All this time I defended them, believed them. I feel like a fool. I find it increasingly hard to remain skeptical and not turn downright incredulous. But I'll try. You ask why they would risk it ? Money,ratings,celebrity, the need to justify so much hard work and time from their kids. You pick. Why did Brad Pitt dump Jennifer Aniston for Angelina Jolie?? I can't tell you. But it happened. Who knows.
Regards
Anthon

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jack, we've seen other TAPS members at the same locations carrying around K-II meters and occasionally we've even seen then having a one-sided conversation while the device fails to respond.

And I think it's a fair assumption that the times we don't see it, it's happening anyway. Why do you think Joe was walking around the Keehan House (see video above) with a coin jammed into the on switch of his K-II meter? We didn't see him talking to it, but I bet he wasn't using it to scratch his back. On a number of occasions Joe & Kris have both been seen with a K-II at the same location, on the same night and sometimes in the same room that Jay & Grant have had impressive sessions.

That is why I say we "know" others have tried without success. That aside, these K-II sessions have occurred so easily and so regularly for Jay & Grant at so many different locations that it should be easily repeatable elsewhere. This didn't just happen once or twice at a couple of locations, this happened a lot, suddenly, this season. If this isn't a hoax it would be an incredible scientific discovery. I don't see anyone publishing any papers though.

I hope that answers your question.

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One of the first issues to really bother me about GH is the excessive use of the KII this season. I was not really clear about what the KII is and how it works, it struck me as odd that Jay and Grant didn't really go into what the KII was picking up when they seemed to go into so much detail about their investigations (or so I thought at the time).

It also bothered me that they use it more or less the same way you use a ouija board or pendulum, but in the past they have been critical about the use of these types of psychic tools in an investigation, even cautioning viewers not to attempt to use a ouija board if they don't have experience with them (because a ouija board can open a "doorway" or some other nonsense from what I can remember, but I'm not 100% sure about what exactly was said). I'm also not comfortable with the fact that in the past something like this (EMF readings) would have been labeled "personal experience" or as an "indicator of possible activity", but with the KII they feel they can learn all about a supposed entity, even very specific details like gender, age and the time and place of its death. Those types of claims don't sit well with me, and overall the KII sessions were beginning to rank on the credibility scale somewhere between "Does the letter "L" mean something to you?" and "The glass is moving on it's own…write down these letters…". I had come to expect more from TAPS.

Then Halloween Live happened, and I know from what I saw that Grant (if not others on the team as well) has at least once faked evidence. So I started reading websites like this one (thanks for all the great info, btw) to find out if others caught similar fakes in the past. When I read that the KII's an analog EMF detector, I was confused about why it got them so many awesome results when the digital EMF reader didn't, I found that discrepancy to be very suspect so I continued to read up on it (here and on other websites). That's when I found out from another website that it is very sensitive, more so than other EMF detectors, to radio signals. One website claimed it could pick up a walkie talkie signal from 50ft or more (in contrast to the 20ft Grant claims in his blog), and that made me scratch my head about why they'd use it at all, unless they found it useful that the KII was so easily manipulated.

I, too, am not surprised that Grant blogged about this. He and TAPS must be bombarded with emails about it. I do find it suspect that they never mentioned **on the show** that it detects radio signals, nor have they ever tried to use the walkie talkies or cell phones or car alarm remotes to try to "debunk" a reading or signal they getting. Seems like if they're willing to drive around the block two or three times to debunk a shadow or light, they could at least show us what the KII does in response to a radio signal (especially since Grant claims in his blog that an experienced investigator can tell the difference).

Someone asked how we "know" no one is having the same type of success with the KII. I followed a link from a post on this site to the Long Island Paranormal website, and they have posted the results of their own testing of the KII: http://www.liparanormalinvestigators.com/equipment.shtml#k2

I agree that if the KII was honestly picking up paranormal activity as often as they claim, and with the outstanding (unbelievable? Yes, completely.) results J&G consistently get, then the other TAPS teams should be using it with the same results as well. The fact that they don't says something (loud and clear) to me.

I'm not sure I can bring myself to watch the next episode, I had to turn the last one off after the coat hanger was thrown a second time. How far away are J&G from leading a seance around a ouija board (surrounded by flying objects and flashing KII meters, no doubt)?

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Well, sadly Ive seen enough the last couple weeks to stop me from watching future episodes as well, once the coat hangers started flying its all just too pointless. It doesnt make me happy to stop watching what was once an enjoyable (made you really wonder) type show but its an insult to be played the fool and pay people to do so. I
will check this site from time to time but once you cross into the untrustworthy, and outright lies Im done with the show.

Whats really is a shame though is that the real people with stories to tell are now in the middle of this each show and it demeans their exp. and creates false information for really cool locations. For me the locations, history, and factual honest attempts to find the unexplained was all that was needed.

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stop me if someone has mentioned this before, its off topuc but on the halloween show. before the voice plays grant has a camera in his left hand a digital recorder in his right then for no reason at all he moves the camera to his right hand and puts the digital recorder in his left then puts his left hand in his left pocket, then takes out the recorder again from the pocket and puts it back in his right hand then the camera back to his left. there is no logical reason for this other than to switch to a second recorder that he activates when no one is looking to play the voice.

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also throughout the investigation on halloween at times you hear a beeping sounding like a elevator door opening. it happens three times each time it plays. that is the count down they used for the team to leave there marks during the staged scenes. remember when steve said he got confussed by the three, two, one. well before they cut to them the show that other steve addressing the audience and while he talks the beeping goes off. the crew set it off too early and that's what messed up steve g.

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Jack,
I understand the desire to defend Grant and Jay. A year ago, I would've been right there with you. With regard to the KII meter, however, you need to separate how you feel about Jason and Grant from the evidence as it stands.

The KII was introduced to the GH audience under extremely suspect circumstances. If Jay and Grant had seen the KII before that night, then they lied on television by saying it was a new tool for them. If they didn't know about it, then they shouldn't have allowed the footage where they use it to air. To gain the trust of the viewer, the viewer has to feel like they have authority and know what they're doing. Grant and Jay claim to use scientific methods to prove or disprove occurence that may or may not be supernatural. That means they should understand and explain the pros and cons, ins-and-outs of all the equipment they are using to gather the data that helps them make a conclusion. With the KII meter, it was presented in an emperical manner when it's an extremely suggestive tool not made for the purpose they are using it. That's not bad. It's just not scientific or reliable. Grant coming out NOW and saying, "Oh…we knew all these issues existed before, but we didn't tell you." is damaging. It opens every claim they make to deeper criticism.

I think the GH have fallen into the trap of feeling like they need to provide a "wow" moment.

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onto the topic at hand. great catch to everyone involved here. we conclusive proof the k2 can be faked so now they have to stop using it if not they need to respond to this somehow. boy the camera man who filmed this caused taps a whole new world of trouble. also remember that episode where joe has the k2 and it lights up and barry tries to take out a emf to verfiy and it suddenly stops? well since we know camera men are up to no good now, its possible camera guy filming them was using a radio to trick them then when barry said he would pull out the mf out of fear of proving k2 invalid cuz barry's emf wouldn't detect anything the camera man stopped.

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Maybe I'm missing something, but why does it matter a flying freezer-pop WHY Grant, Jay, or anyone WOULD do anything? I mean…we can't figure out their motives, right? We aren't psychics. Who cares what their motives would be? If Grant is a hoaxer, why does his motivation matter? I can see where that might hold water if this were a legal proceeding over a murder, but in most murders you aren't watching the crime being committed on a hot camera, like I was watching a hoaxing take place on Halloween.

Knowing, via video evidence from the GH show itself, that the K-II reacts to walkies validates concerns that the K-II evidence could easily be tampered-slash-hoaxed evidence. I don't need to know Jay's motivation for that validation (and that was fun to say out loud).

Maybe neither Grant nor Jay have been faking any K-II sessions. But hey, what if Jimmy the Cameraman hated the Casper cartoon growing up and thinks this show is a load of bunk? Maybe Jimmy the Cameraman learned about the effect that walkies and his garage door opener have on K-IIs. Maybe Jimmy the Cameraman said to himself, "I'll show these two saps some 'paranormal activity.' I bet they'll fall for it hook, line, and sinker."

So who knows right? But…isn't it possible? Isn't that what we're doing? Removing all of the possibilities until the impossible is all that remains, providing proof of the paranormal? Isn't that "paranormal investigation"? If we can point to a K-II doing its best impersonation of a Lite Bright in a faulty socket, then that's a possibility we have to consider.

One final note: has anyone compared the way (pattern of the lighting) the K-II lit up from the walkie to the way the K-II has been lighting up from EMF communication sessions with entities? I think that could prove to be enlightening as well.

~Jack The Skeptic

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I find the very use of a 50 buck blinko meter like the K2 a crazy thing to do when there are far better meters on the market that do a superior job detecting things like EM fields. They don't cost the Earth either. Hardware and software spectrum analysers will dissect and analise any part of the spectrum, including that covered by the K2. With one of these you will know which frequencies are spiking and you will know if someone is trying to fake or trigger a response. But no, they continue to use an inferior piece of junk.

It's like using a light meter instead of a camera to take a picture. Like trying to mow the lawn lawn with an electric shaver. Or trying to receive faint signals from the Mars probes with a crystal set. You get the idea. Unfortunately they don't.

None of the team have any technical skill in electronics. What happened to the tech guy in early episodes? They sure got rid of him fast. That leaves a bunch of amateurs that will never compile any compelling evidence. Disappointing.

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I'm sure Chin knew it would fire when he hit the talkie. When communicating on a cell or walkie the K-2 must light up like a 70's Disco so Chin wasn't overly concerned about it's position to the K-2.

22 Gatrillion dollars in equipment but they get the most "impressive," results with a $50.00 lite brite.
They are a modern day medicine show. They pull up into town, and those desperate to believe, swallow what they sell.

If you did not allow independent study of your evidence, or provide those same parties to investigate with you, your actions would be considered suspicious.

If your investigation were filmed, but nothing happened to the film makers who enter/exit the same haunted areas before/after you over five years, while you claim shadows, cold spots, & paranormal activity your word would be called into question.

If only one of you,.i.e. Grant, were often involved with paranormal activity while no other team member is (excluding your partner),they'd question how that is possible?

It's ALL posssible as long as you do what you've always done

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"Well, that's pretty damning evidence. It would seem that these guys are just a couple of charlatans and based on the comments of Brenda in Altoona, always have been."

Croda, what where Brenda's comments? Can you link to them or point the way? Thanks!

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pageian, Brenda lives in the house TAPS visited for this investigation:

http://www.skepticalviewer.com/2008/09/08/gh-101-altoona-home/

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I don't think you guys are paying attention. CLEARLY, the K2 is responding to Jason asking, "Why don't we wrap up…" and the ghost is responding, "Yes. Wrap up and get your *** out of here."

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For me, the whole show started going down hill when they brought in that K2 thingiemagigger. And after the Halloween show I now question all the episodes that I once thought had some substance. It's really a shame that they would sell out, but not surprising I guess.

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All that Jason and Grant and the rest of the crew would say is that, yes, the K2 is just responding to us wrapping it up. (The ghost is responding) Easy to get around that I think. Again, integrity plays a place here, but when you're so short of that then what do you have left? A second rate show.

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Hey there! It's been awhile since I've been on and its fun to read the comments.

I think its been said, but regardless of whether they "faked" it or it's just an accident, the fact is the meter is picking up external signals and contaminating the evidence. If it's picking up walkie talkie signals at 50+ feet, it means nothing that the interviewers turn theirs off…another member in another room could still have theirs on and it would still pick it up.

It would strike me that as investigators with "integrity," they should refrain from using any device with as spurious a track-record as this. Continuing to use this device merely aggravates the accusations of pseudo-science: they are using a device inappropriately or for things it was not intended to do.

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Just remember that the K2 was introduced to the GH team on the Manson Investigation by none other than Chris Fleming, the "sensitive" from Dead Famous…

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Ihave the same K-2 and it can easily be manipulated by a Blackberry in close proxy.Any email transmissions and or simply browsing the web causes the thing to light up like Christmas. I was able to create the same ghostly conversations.

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Sorry this seems a bit late, but I just stumbled upon this site today… But if anyone is till looking at this, I have to say - I feel sorry for all of you who thought GH was 100% legit! Some of the stuff you see is more difficult to explain away, but the majority is painfully obvious. It's a show, like all other shows out there, it wants to stay on the air. It's fun to watch, and I feel that they, on occasion, may capture some interesting video or audio footage. In regards to the Halloween episode - One thing I can't help but notice, but no one here seems to have given it a second thought is - when J and Grant were in the kitchen and this guy that I've never seen on the show before comes waltzing on in, and J says someting on the line of "Hey, were doing an investigation here!" and the guy just walks out, then we hear some "paranormal" noises from teh other room. This guy, incidently has a similar build to some of the "ghosts" that show up in J and Grants FLIR footage - eh? Hmmm - they didn't bother saying who this guy was, or to try to explain that when your doing an investigation, and want no one to have access to the site, how some lumbering idiot can just walk on set… Kinda debunks the whole rest of the show wouldn't you think? Like MonsterQuest or UFO Hunters, it's all about entertainment (and ratings which go hand in hand with MONEY!)… If you don't understand how the media works, let me give you this little clue… If any REAL Monster, Ghost, or UFO is actually captured or undisputable evidence of their existance is revieled, you are likely to hear about it on the news first, if the government doesn't cover it up first. LOL!!!
Don't be too upset, the universe is very big and very old. We are only now just scratching the surface of it's meaning. The REAL stuff we discover will be much more unsettling or interesting than what you see on t.v. any day!
Regards
KM

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