Lame is an understatement, false tugs, fake voice, this was torture for the viewers, imo, maybe a couple laughs, about it. Not nearly as entertaining as the first trip to the same fort.

On the bright side, I think Ive figured out how to fake k2 meter sessions. When I was growing up my dad used to be a policemen and carried a walkie that had a meter on the front. I used to play with it sometimes and if the volume was turned up you could press the talk button and not say anything and still spike the meter. They did away with the meters at some point. I think a small shift or power surge occurs, it wasnt clear to me then exactly what the meter was for but it was just on very early models (30 years back)

Ive noticed on the recent sessions you cant see Grants hands right when they focus the camera on the meter and a quick touch on the walkie would be hard to detect if it were in any pocket.

Also, notice when they had 2 meters side-by-side- they responded exactly the same after questions (same lights flashed) same source in front, imo.

Notice tonite, hands stayed in view, no responses, but watch how the other positive sessions went.
I think the walkie(cut-on,talk button pressed a second or less) can spike the k2 if within a few feet, just a theory at this point, but someone probaly discovered this by accident recently, imo.

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IMO: Jason seemed upset with Grant during the first half of the investigation. He wouldn't talk to him, stay in the same place as he was, or even look at him. Jason also seemed upset over the "fake" voice and at first would not acknowledge it. I thought the voice sounded like it came from a radio. In fact, when I first heard the voice I believed it was a prompt from the production staff to the team telling them they were in the wrong place. On a lighter note, I thought Amanda Tapping seemed to have fun hanging out with Steve and Tango. I really don't think she much liked the actions of Robb and Dustin.

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My gosh, I waited all year for this. I could ramble on forever about the lame factors, but the best brief points I can make on the spot are: 1) FIRE THE LIVE VIDEO PRODUCTION TEAM THAT PUT THE SHOW ON THIS YEAR. THEY TOTALLY BLEW IT. 2) STOP HAVING THE GUEST REDNECK WHITE TRASH PRO WRESTLERS WHO ACTS LIKE FLAMING JERKS. 3) TRY TO ACT LIKE YOU DID IN THE 1ST COUPLE OF SEASONS - BE SERIOUS ABOUT GHOST HUNTING AGAIN & STOP CLOWNING AROUND ON CAMERA. Beware Ghost Hunters, that new "other ghost show on the other channel" is competing hard w/ a new angle & they are starting to steal your thunder.

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Let's see what I can remember:

It didn't appear Jason believed Grant's story about his jacket being tugged. I guess that makes all of us.

Why in the world did they let that guy carry the FLIR for so long? At one point I thought there was something at the end of a hall; instead, he swings it around and finally decides to leave it on the K2 meter. But we did get to see a lot of the back side of Jason & Grant, and what seemed to be members of the production crew.

Amen on the useless wrestlers. Although I thought the other two 'celebrities' did a good job.

Could Robb be any more boring?

Ms Robot and I were flipping back and forth between GHL and Ghost Adventures. The comparison really shows how bad GH has gotten.

Question: One time we flipped back to GHL and it looked like Jason was upset with Krysten and the Wrestler for what I assume was non ghost-hunting babbling - What happened?…….And poor Joe. I think he wants to take this seriously.

My 16 year old wants to get into some kind of video production. I think he could begin working for GH's production crew Monday morning.

Oh, the voice. "You don't belong here." or whatever…..Please.

I can't comment on the opening 45 minutes of the show or the contest about the haunted houses or whatever it was because we were watching GA during that nonsense.

One positive: They dropped the spooky background music; although I'm almost positive they played it during the first segment when J&G started their initial investigation.
Oops, another positive: No Kris.

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Did I miss something? What happened to Kris?

Can someone please explain to me how an actor with limited to no investigation experience can come on the show, hear Grant say he is getting pulled, and immediately turn the camera towards his neck? How hard was that? Now we can clearly see his jacket.

"…Rob is apparently homeless…" How great is Josh Gates?

BTW…it seems the GHI team has thermometers. Someone should clue TAPS into this new technology, since they don't seem to have any.

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A live 7 hour show really plays up the fact how nothing much happens and the regular GH episodes are made to look exciting by severe editing.
This Ft Delaware show was a huge snooze! My big complaint is the guest "investigators." What a joke! I mean, have they ever watched the show? Do they have a clue why they are here? That wrestler in particular was all about himself and it really got silly after awhile. Not only are these guests inane, but more importantly they take focus off the purpose of the investigation. They take down the regulars with their attempt at humor and self-interest.
At one point I think in the mess hall they had heard noises at the bottom of the stairs and no one made any move to check it out. Jason from downstairs called up and was quite miffed they weren't rushing downstairs to investigate. That wouldn't happen on a normal episode. I do think Jason was not in a great mood last night but I can't blame him with the losers he had in tow.
They should bump that one girl Kris (there are 2 Kris' - the other one is fine). I've even been disappointed in Tango - he doesn't add or initiate much and most of time simply agrees with the others.
Ft Delaware - a real bore.

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After about the first half-hour I guess they decided to drop the music/sound effects. Initially the creepy ambient music was so loud I could barely hear the team members talking.

Intruder alert: Jay and Grant are sitting in the kitchen and some guy wearing a miner's helmet, with light shining, comes walking through the door. Oops. Don't you love live television? What was this guy doing sneaking around the site during an investigation? And how many other production crew members are also in the building? This, if nothing else does, taints the whole investigation.

"You don't belong here." Yet another tinny voice talking to Jay and Grant. I reckon these spirits only talk to the guys in charge. The voice sounded like it was coming from a walkie-talkie.

Grant does a Marcel Marceau routine of a man getting tugged by the jacket from behind. Three times. How does Jay keep a straight face?

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OK, everyone….my husband and I have watched the part over and over when Grant's jacket gets pulled and there is clearly a line attached to it. We saw it. It is on the third pull when he turns back towards the camera you can see the string. Also, when Jay looks at the Grant's jacket—right before you see Grant feel of the back of his jacket searching for something and then he pulls the string off! It is sooo obvious on a HD 1080 big screen TV…oops HD sucks for them!
We were so upset by this episode becuase we have watched this show from the beginning and with all the staging and tricks they tried to pull off as real…We probably will not be watching the show any longer. Like it was posted before the show just looks really great becuase of all the editing they do. What at disappointment!

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They showed on the thermal that the hood of Grant's jacket actually looked 'tugged,' however, he had his hand in his pocket the entire time. I wonder if he was pulling a string. I'd like to believe it was all 'real' but the random people wandering around, past events that were shady, and the realization that something 'good' only ever happens to Jay & Grant just makes GH less believable year after year. SciFi should realize they HAD a gem here, and if they'd just clean it up and do it right (with head cams, like DT, and no funny business) it could take back the credibility it once enjoyed.

Jay DID seem rather ticked off. I'm wondering if he is finally realizing this is all a joke?

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I thought Jay's attitude was very suggestive that he does indeed know what's going on (with Grant) and he's not okay with it. Or maybe he's just not okay with it on a Live show because of the "getting caught" factor (having no editing).

Either way, others have suggested for some time that Grant couldn't do all the things we suspect him of without other team members catching on — well I think Jay caught on a while ago. Who knows if he disapproves (but still wants to make $$ with his own show) or if he's just afraid of getting caught, but at this point I'm ignoring any claims he makes to the contrary (about how he'd shut the show down right away if he found out someone was hoaxing) and I'm looking for a smoking gun.

…which brings me to Mr&MrsSpooke208's observation where they think they saw the string pulling Grant's hood. Does anyone remember approximately what hour in the show that happened? I have the entire thing on tape and I want to go back and review that part, taking screen captures as-necessary.

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Well I suffered through this investigation just in case something really happened that I couldn't find an explanation for. I almost fell for the tugging on Grant's coat until you see that each time his right hand is in his pocket. And even after the tug it stayed in his pocket. I imagined myself walking and suddenly felt the back of my coat being tugged. My natural instinct would be to put my hands up. But he kept his in his pocket each time.

Agree that Jason looked bothered most of the time.

Steve Valentine I thought was very useful and really got into it.
Amanda Tapping looked dazed and confused a lot.
The 'Miz'. Well, can't say what I really think but I think you get the idea. The words "useless and annoying" comes into play.
But I wish it was just the TAPS team only. No outsiders.

One more thing. I honestly resented Robb and Dustin being there and on top of everything they wore their GHI gear. I don't care if they're part of the SciFi family or not. This was for the TAPS team.
Sorry, just my opinion.

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Random thoughts, in no particular order:

1) I think the "You don't belong here" voice was actually the director of last night's fiasco warning the audience—-that was us!—-to change the channel before we wasted an entire evening.

2) Nothing does more to reassure me that an investigation will be conducted to rigorous scientific standards than the presence of a professional wrestler on the research team.

3) The whole "vibe" was just weird last night; did Jay and Grant have an argument just before airtime? There seemed to be some tension between the two all evening. They reminded me of a married couple who have had a fight before their dinner party guests arrive and spend the rest of the evening trying to convince everyone that things are really, no, really, things are fine!!

4) At least Robb and Dustin demonstrated some conviction and professionalism, in contrast to the GH crew. I wonder how the GH crew felt about their participation last night; I know I wouldn't have been too happy. In fact, I would probably be wondering if Pilgrim might be thinking of some "cast replacements" for next season.

5) Josh Gates seemed to be having trouble keeping a straight face at times. He knew how ridiculous things were looking last night.

6) Judging from last night's show, ghosts can apparently disrupt the proper operation of video production equipment.

7) As for the "evidence" they found, I agree 100% with dread1: lame is an understatement. It's hard not to engage in some cheap armchair psychology and wonder if maybe Jay and Grant are getting tired of it all and want out. They're starting to remind me of a couple of employees I managed in my career who were tired of their jobs but were afraid to quit, so instead they tried to force me to fire them.(They succeeded, BTW.) At any rate, all that ennui and apathy we're getting from Jay and Grant doesn't make for very entertaining television.

I channel-flipped between the GH special and "Ghost Adventures" last night, and Ghost Adventures was a lot more entertaining. No, I'm not saying GA is any more convincing than GH, but at least the GA crew seems to be into what they're doing and understand you had better make the show worth your audience's time.

9) Has GH finally jumped the shark?? Based on last night, I fear it has.

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The famous coat tug occurred at approx. four hours and forty one minutes into the show. 10:41 CT.

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Seconding all comments; especially that Jason seemed to be perturbed that he apparently agreed to be part of what seemed to be some quite obvious fake events — the look on his face when the "you don't belong here" haunted house voice was "played" was priceless. Sorta like, "damn, that was lame." Also noticed that Grant checked his watch right before the voice, as if timing it to be at the right place and asking the right questions.

Too many "guest" hunters — maybe they bring in the wrestlers 'cause they're experts on faking stuff; but the boring, annoying trio of Joe, Kristyn and Mr. Mohawk was unwatchable. A prediction for next year: Joe the Plumber, WFE Superstar Twinkletoes Smith and Sci-Fi janitor Greg Gruel investigate a haunted fort.

Gates tried to save the night, but alas … he did have the line of the night: "My family had a summer house in Honey-Mustard."

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Friendly's just named their infamous milk shake as the official drink of TAPS " Awful! Awful!"
The voice, "You don't belong here!" was indeed a spirit telling J&G just that, you don't belong here…on TV!
Joe's a nice guy, but why does TAPS waste time looking for the dead when he's standing right in front of them. The guy doesn't have a pulse.
Krystal, if she could've, she would've taken the MIZ for a private "investigation." She acted like a giddy school girl. Embarrassing & uncomfortable to watch.
ECW's MIZ was the FIZ. However, his smart a** smile did resemble a jack o lantern on Halloween.
J&G ridicule all three later in the night.
Amanda Tapping. Goggle her. At 43 she's stunning but her input was as bad as her acting.
Here's the reveal.
One cross contaminated EVP which twice says on a walkie or cell phone, you don't belong here & Krystal & the Miz announce their engagement & their new tag team the Miz & the Mizzes.

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windwhisperer, thanks for the time, I'll post back when I have a chance to take a look.

Lar, I thought Amanda gave at least one piece of really great input. Robb was calling on a spirit to make itself known, make a noise "in this room" and then he and Dustin went on to explain how it was a "residual spirit" and would do its thing "whether we're here or not". Amanda immediately hit on the obvious discrepancy and said, "So we couldn't necessary call upon *this* spirit to show itself?"

Of course this logic bomb didn't fry Robb's circuits, he just rerouted through his illogic processor and replied, "it's hard to say"

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So why don't skeptics/viewers confront the crew with the goods on this obvious coat tug stunt? Maybe that's why Jason was in such a funk - he's worrying either the tactics will be exposed and/or maybe GH has degraded since he first began the show. It might be a case where TAPS pre-tv was sincerely trying to debunk hauntings and then found themselves in showbizland under pressure to produce happenings at any expense. Definitely, had that clear repeat "disembodied" voice actually belonged to the spirit world, Jason, despite his mood would have been psyched about it. Instead he dismissed it. Not like him.
Yes, I totally agree these investigations should be TAPS members only. If they're for entertainment relief, NOT!
Also, re: Ghost Adventures, I too left GH for that show last night. At least it's lively, and valid or not, spookier and far more entertaining.

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I found the tug ONLINE! Quality's not the best, but you can see the TUG. It's just not clear enough to see the string. This is video of someone videotaping their TV. The tug comes about :56 & again at 1:48. It's easy for your eyes to wander, just stare at the back of G's coat as soon as they begin walking back, their back towards us, & as G comes back into view at 1:48 you see it pull. Please let us know if you find a higher quality version online. The last tug comes afterward.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Ghost%20hunters%20halloween%20live&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#q=Ghost%20hunters%20halloween%20live%202008&hl=en&emb=0

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I was glancing at the live thread questions … In 7 hours Amy answered 56 questions, most of this quality …

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Kayla Will there be potty breaks?

Amy: I hope so!!
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Kailee Do you know how old Dustin is?

Amy: I'm sorry, I don't know how old Dustin is.
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Trinity Amy, what is the TAPS teams favorite snack during an investigation?

Amy: Currently, it's chocolate.
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But this was interesting -

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Briggs Do you guys use K-II meters with a modified switch?

Amy: Hi Briggs, no, we do not. Only because we don't know how compromising it is to open them up and fiddle with them, (but we do jam the switch in place with a coin.) You should read Grant's blog on his myspace about our protocols when it comes to using the k2.

I suppose we get to "officially" toss out all the evidence from when they DID use KII's with the possibly compromised switches ?

What ever happened to the TAPS version of "Q", the guy in the first season who gave them the geiger counters ?

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Any thoughts as to what made J & G's candle blow out. It happened at the start of the last half hour of the investigation. They had a candle lit and suddenly it's out.
Jason was nowhere near it. But Grant was and when Jason came back Grant said he didn't notice it go out. He said "I wasn't looking at it but it's not on anymore".
The problem I have is that it's a dark room and Grant says he didn't notice it go out. How do you not notice it went out in a dark room. It's like he waited for Jason to come back to notice it first.

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Can anyone tell me approximately what time during the investigation the supposed voice saying "you don't belong here" comes up? I missed that and want to hear it.
Thanks.

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Found some more test info on the K-II.
http://www.Ghost-Mart.com
They did some testing to show how quirky it is.
Just go to their site and check out the emf meter section.

Logisti, I don't know how successful you will be looking for the string on your HD set.
Pilgrim does not use HD cameras when filming GH.
They use Panasonic AG DVC-30 cameras which work well with infrared but are not HD capable.
You need a 1080i camera and a 1080i set to get the full effect.
In other words it takes the two to Tango.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

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One point during the evening Grant, Jason and the British Steve were in the tunnels, I believe. They were using the KII meter and a flashlight. Grant said that he was turning up the sensitivity on his flashlight. I have never heard of a flashlight like that. Can anyone enlighten me?

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Ok, I am a big fan of Ghost Hunters and what they do - sometimes the show is totally hit and miss and other times there's some valuable information found, but that can still be criticized. However, last night I was totally disappointed with the results and what I saw on the show. I know the difference between disembodied voices and a radio, having heard a few in my life, and the "you should not be in here" was totally bogus. Hugely dissappointed in that whole segment of the show, and it was noticeable that Jason wasn't happy with it…

I even noticed that there seemed to be some sort of apparatus attached to Grant's jacket when the tugs were noted. Each tug, when shown in slow motion was identical in force and location. The thermal picked up small fluxes in cold spots, most likely packed with cold packs to minimize a heat signature that skeptics might pick up.

All in all, totally disappointed. If the place wasn't active, then just let us all know - but don't go out and deceive the public for better ratings. They are better than that….

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Let me know if any of you saw this. I was just rewatching the show and I noticed a promotion for the show at the 18 minute mark. The ad mentions the special guests from GHI as being Rob and Donna. Obviously, Donna wasn't there. But is she even a member of GHI any longer? Seems like that is a pretty big mistake to make on a commercial. But maybe I missed something.

Queen, the flashlight that they use has a push button on the end of the handle that turns the light on or off. Basically, Grant turns the light on, and then unscrews the cap to the point where the light shuts off, but even the smallest contact will turn it back on. The theory is that the ghosts don't have enough energy to fully press down the button, so this will help them. But it has been pointed out by plenty of people that even vibration can set it off. Evidence of that is shown when Grant stands up after placing it on the ground, and it suddenly goes off again.

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Thanks Brandon, that makes sense. Also, I read somewhere that Donna, Brian and Shannon are no longer on GHI. That "could" explain why Donna wasn't on last night.

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Fake fake fake fake fake fake fake fake.

The voice was captured conveniently during a very small break away from them on camera. Grant's jacket being pulled was obviously fake.

Is this the episode where they're exposed? They took a big risk and I hope they get caught. I'm willing to believe, have a totally open mind, but the evidence just builds up.

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Wow, didnt know the k2 was rigged with a coin, just makes it more likely that some small hidden electronic device is setting it off on q (possible the walkies).

Grant is such a nice-likeable guy, but he really is destroying the show, as he has every weird thing happen around him, and now the fake stuff isnt even very good anymore. Its sad to think that he thinks people will accept these things as real.

I think Jayson is in a very tough spot because if he calls him out then he probaly ruins his friendship and casts doubt on every piece of evidence since day one, so he does what alot of people would do, struggles on for the money. You can tell this is really taking a toll on him at this point.

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Someone mentioned Grant's arm when the jacket was "tugged." After re-watching the segment, it's clear that Grant appears to be using a method magicians call a "pull." Usually, a thread is attached to an object, the thread (or wire) is routed up a sleeve (or in this case down a jacket?) and up another sleeve. A quick pull on the other end of the thread pulls the object up the sleeve too quickly for the eye to see. It is too coincedental, IMO, that Grant is hanging his free arm, palm in, when we see the tugs on the jacket for him not to be using a simple "pull" method.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V0FVRD1jbM

Starts at 1:50 mark. Seems the camera was on them when it happened, which I thought had happened a minute later where I saw Grant freaking out. The cut was obviously due to technical difficulties. I can't call this one saying Grant was obviously in on this, and it does sound fake, but I don't know what a ghost is supposed to sound like.

The jacket was done by Grant himself, though.

My prediction is that J branches off to a new show and they don't openly air the reasons why. However, J can't afford to work with Grant anymore. Too risky.

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I just went to You Tube and looked at video of the voice and jacket pulling. The look that Jason gives to Grant after the voice was priceless. If I had the ability to read minds here is what I think happened-

J: Please Grant, don't do this. You are making us look like amateurs.
G: Just play along and everything will be fine.
J: We look stupid right now. Everyone is going to know that was fake.
G: Just play along, Jay.
J: Maybe if I ignore him and keep investigating nobody will notice.

J: God dammit! When is he going to stop this lunacy? Just keeping investigating the light going out and ignore Grant….
G: Jay, help me sell this. Maybe we will get more money.
J: That is not a light going out, it is only a bat. Glad I debunked that.
G: What the frig? Help me out Jay!
(and here's the kicker)
J: Yep, there is the string. Grant has been debunked.

The Halloween show was so sad for the loyal viewers of Ghost Hunters. Even though I didn't believe everything that they tried to pass off as "paranormal" in the past, I did have faith in TAPS. After last night, they have no credibility to me- unless they come back next week and uncover the hoaxes. Make us proud Jason and do the right thing. Call Grant out!

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When you first hear the voice, you do not see Grant, but strange how once agin, like the jacket tug, activity ONLY happens to Grant or when he is around. W

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I totally agree on the tug with Grant's jacket. But why will they do this? I mean I'm a firm beliver in the paranormal and watch their show every time it comes on but I thought they we're getting a little too "fake" with this crap. Ok another point too, why have guests star on any way won't they just screw it up?

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Jay appears annoyed. His tone, the look on his face & his reactions to the voice are of disbelief.
QUESTION:
As Grant is cueing up the voice for playback, his batteries die. WHY? Why at that very moment.
Could Grant have two recorders? # 1 to record the event, # 2 to playback a pre-recorded voice! Maybe he needed to make sure # 1 recorded the voice from # 2.

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Dawn here again with some questions.
Has any one notice that Grant has not been working out this last season.
And there cases have just been really stupid. Too much fooling around.

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I've only seen the short clip with the voice. Have to compare it side-by-side with the other disembodied voices– it sounds slightly different, like Apple's "whisper" voice. Not quite the same, though, and I don't think they're Mac users around there.

It's hard, at this point, to see things with unclouded eyes, but Grant's performance right before, during, and after the voice is a huge red flag. He seems to be deliberately setting up the line: "Is there anything you want to say to us?" "If we're not supposed to be here, feel free to push us out." The voice speaks when the camera is off Grant. Then he feeds it another line, with almost perfect timing: "Are we not supposed to be here?" He's slightly too late, though, because the voice overlaps with his.

He's also got something square in his left breast pocket, under the jacket. That's hardly incriminating, but it is interesting. Do we see what it is at any point during the broadcast?

Is it a smoking gun? Who can tell if the gun is smoking when the room is full of smoke?

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I noticed the square in the jacket I just thoght maybe its just a cigerett pack

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I've debunked it. I can see the string. You can too! I posted the image here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/yourbestdj/TheGrantedString#

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Zowie. . . . . a lot of fascinating comments on this thread, and everyone seems to be in general agreement that last night was a train wreck for GH.

I previously remarked about the obvious tension between Jay and Grant from the very start, and I wonder if the reason was the "anomalies" we witnessed—–did Jay unsuccessfully attempt to talk Grant out of doing certain things?

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Lar, nice picture…. you can see the string. Does anyone have any theories what else this could be? There is no doubt in my mind what it is.

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I don't really have anything new to add. I agree with all of the above. I've watched the show since its premier and have enjoyed it. Unfortunately, it's slipping. The saddest thing of all is that I sat through all seven hours not because I was watching for paranormal events, but instead to see what would be faked next. I do believe that Jason knows what's happening, doesn't approve, and has realized that, unfortunately, they've tumbled over the proverbial edge and there's no going back.

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Good one, Lar!

Harry, this is shaping up to be worse than a train wreck for GH.

Wow. We'll need a clearer picture, but that just might be the smoking gun. Just… wow. I'm finding it harder and harder to stay objective here. Ghosts or no ghosts, I just can't come up with a scenario where Grant looks this bad and is still innocent. I'd like to. I just can't.

I don't know what effect this will have. Looks like there's a running flamewar over at the TAPS 18+ forum, but most of the fans there are taking it in stride.

Speaking of which, one person over there is claiming that Grant changed jackets over the course of the evening. Can anyone confirm or refute that?

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