Logisti-Do you have any possible explanations for the ironing board falling and the door opening? Just curious. Given that there was really very little else to go on, I doubt very much if there was anything paranormal about that incident.

Your point about the EVPs was excellent and illustrates something I have been noticing about the last few episodes. Either the EVPs will be exceptionally clear or else they are very hard to make out, in which case Jason or Grant will interpret them for the audience and insist that's what they say. Personally I didn't hear "Just Leave Here" but rather some kind of random noise that COULD be interpreted as speech, but probably wasn't.

The really clear EVPs are starting to arouse suspicion. Some posts on other shows have been mentioning that it could possibly have been one of the team purposely creating them.

All in all, to me Viney Resort was very weak, very boring and indicative of the slipshod work and mostly boring locations that have come to characterize this show.

As for the ironing board, I believe it did not fall and open the door. I think that it was already resting on the door when the door opened. Allow me to make a hypothesis: the ironing board was put up against the wall by the cleaners. But as we all know ironing boards can topple quite easily and in this case the ironing board fell over by it's own weight or vibrations or whatnot and landed on the door, not opening it but putting it's weight and pressure on it. It then sat that way for a good period of time, until either the weight of the ironing board (or something else) made the magnetic latch give way. And then we see the door open and the ironing board falling out. But not from a position by the back wall but from resting on the door. Watch the footage and you will see it quite clearly.

I am not saying this is the only explanation, but it's a possibility as good (even better since it has it's basis in the initial observation) as J&G:s and furthermore one that was not entertained. Therefor I feel the closet incident was not debunked in a satisfying manner. They were to caught up in one explanation and never entertained others from what I saw.

My conclusion was clear from the start and I was surprised when they went the other way in the debunking, which would have been ok if that hadn't been the only debunking effort on the door…

bullerspoke, I agree with your ironing board hypothesis. It was an interesting event until they told us it was a magnetic latch. I've had closets that used those. They will pop open like that if enough pressure is applied for a significant period of time. And that ironing board would have been enough. For me – debunked.

The evp: I thought it said something like, "Just Jason" or "Chase Jason".

I agree with the fact that the debunking of that door incident was very poor. I like the idea that the ironing board may have been leaning against the door in the first place. Hadn't thought of that. And apparently, neither did J & G.

I've had a lot of stuff in my house suddenly fall for no apparent reason. Of course, it being something paranormal never enters my mind.

Good theory on that incident. Maybe suggest it to TAPS–then again, don't waste your time. Seems they are not interested in anybody else's opinion but their own.

Bullerspoke, I agree. One thing I noticed is, during the debunk, when the ironing board hit the door with enough force to open or almost open, you could see the slats on the outside of the closet door move from the impact and hear the impact. You didn't see that in the actual incident, so the ironing board either 1. was already up against the door (so incident debunked) or 2. the ironing board fell after the door started opening (incident unexplained). I tend to lean toward the former.

Very good observations, bullerspoke, and your explanation is very plausible.

And I notice this season's trend for clearer, more audible "vocal evidence" is continuing. It's almost as if the spirits are clearing their throats before communicating with us!!

Stephen and I discuss this and a few other investigations in the next podcast episode, which should be released real soon. In brief though, I think it's entirely credible that the ironing board, under it's own weight, might not be heavy enough to open the door because of the magnetic latch.

Even assuming the door wasn't closed all the way, I'm curious why the ironing board would suddenly fall forward if no one had been in the room for 10 minutes and apparently the hotel was mostly closed, so that eliminates a lot of the contamination (vibrations from people walking, doors slamming) from other guests or hotel employees — although not entirely. Ultimately I thought it was interesting but I thought they needed to do more to rule out external (normal) possibilities before shrinking the pool of explanations down to the paranormal.

What we were more interested in however, was the voice that awoke Jay in the middle of the night. It had a certain… quality that pointed us in a specific direction. Others may have noticed the same thing, and feel free to discuss it, but for now I'm going to keep quiet until the podcast is released

Was it Sasquatch? He didn't have Jack Links beef jerky in bed with him, did he?

In fact, during Steve's long drive down to Florida with the van he did see Sasquatch hitch-hiking as he drove by the Okefenokee Swamp area. He slowed down, offering a ride but just as Bigfoot was reaching for the door he sped up and drove away laughing. The sound that seems to come from Jay's closet is actually Steve a couple of rooms over, being mauled to death by a heretofore unknown North American primate.

Don't mess with Sasquatch.

Curious way to investigate –

It would seem to be a natural that you would want to re-create the scene ON the original DVR, but it appears the first thing they do when they enter the room is disconnect and possibly remove it.

The IR from would interfere with the crews and their handheld cameras, but since it plays a part in the action I don't see any reason to not leave it there and point out it's location.

Did the DVR catch the clatter of the board hitting the door, then the scraping of the board down the door as it opened and finally the clatter of the board hitting the ground ?

IF the initial clatter is not heard, then the question should have been asked if anyone KNEW the board was against the wall to start with ( was anyone in that closet for any reason ? ), and was the DVR recording searched for when the board DID initially fall against the door ?

About the voice: I thought it sounded a like a normal voice artificially slowed down to sound deeper and spookier. I was reminded of when I was a kid playing records on my hi-fi. After playing an LP, probably Creedence, I would play a single but forget to change the speed from 33 rpm to 45 rpm. Of course the vocals on the record would sound deeper than normal. That's what the voice Jay heard sounded like to me.

I can't get the podcast Please someone let me know what the various theories are that you guys come up with.

Logisti, you have really got me soooo curious about what you think. I value the opinions of you and everyone else here highly and am intrigued about the "voice".

You guys better be careful or you might hear from the anti-Sasquatch Defamation League!

As soon as I heard the "voice" in Jason's room, I immediatly thought it sounded the same as the clear voices they heard at the Carriage Inn….like a voice recorder had been played…very "tinny". I was also surprised that no one seemed too interested in exploring the source of this voice. I think someone had planted the recorder in Jason's closet…accidently knocking over the ironing board to lean on the door for a bit… causing the door to eventually open. At least it didn't happen in Grant's room.

Brenny, as far as my speculation is concerned, I think you just hit the proverbial nail on the proverbial head. Of course, as you noted this happened in Jay's closet and in the course of this entire series we've got absolutely no evidence to credibly suggest he might be involved in any hoaxing. None.

Also, if we're going to clear Jay of suspicion then it's also unreasonable to suspect someone was hiding in the closet and pressed play on the recorder. Clearly Jay would hear them entering or leaving the closet and the room.

So unless TAPS is using handheld voice recorders that have an "alarm" function to play a pre-recorded sound at a pre-determined time, and unless we can find someone else with a legitimate track record of suspicious activity who could have gotten into Jay's room and hidden such a recorder in his closet without him knowing it, this theory is dead in the water.

I think it's impossible to determine where the sounds came from, other than Jason's reaction to look toward the closet. Obviously, there's no way for we viewers to know whether the sound was coming from the closet, outside the door, through a vent, under the bed, in the closet, in the bathrooom or even had been added in post-production …

Wes, while that's absolutely correct I'm willing to start from the supposition that Jay's observations, if not his conclusions, are always honest and usually accurate. Working under those admitted assumptions I'm willing to run with:

1) The voice actually occurred in the room and was not added or "enhanced" by post-production.

2) Jay was able to accurately determine the general direction the voice was coming from and also that it wasn't coming through a wall from the hallway or another room.

Working under these assumptions by no means limits us to paranormal explanations. In fact, assuming that Jason's observations are entirely accurate, combined with a small knowledge of TAPS's equipment and events from earlier in this same investigation give us a laser-focus on a single, surprisingly probable explanation of the most mundane sort.

"Working under these assumptions by no means limits us to paranormal explanations. In fact, assuming that Jason's observations are entirely accurate, combined with a small knowledge of TAPS's equipment and events from earlier in this same investigation give us a laser-focus on a single, surprisingly probable explanation of the most mundane sort."

Which you will reveal on your next podcast?

kevin, well yes but I've already hinted quite heavily at exactly what that explanation is in the two comments I left earlier today. In fact, I very nearly said it outright.

Oh … I see.

OK, I see where this is going. Not to rain on your parade, Logisti, but I can see that this is heading to the obvious conclusion: since the theory is that metals can attract ghosts, the "iron"-ing board is clearly a vehicle for spirit manifestations, or is a ghost itself!

When it's not trying to get out of the closet, it's crying out with a voice of the undead. In fact, one of the nocturnal voices Jason heard DID seem to be saying, "enough with the starch, already."