July 31, 2008
GHI: Bodelwyddan Castle
In the first post-shakeup episode of Ghost Hunters International we find the team investigating a very cool looking castle in Wales. For those who missed the (nearly non-existent) drama over the past few weeks, we've lost 3 of the 6 team members in what seemed to be one low-level and temporary medical emergency and two non-events.
Of the original team we still have Robb, Andy and Barry but Shannon, Brian and Donna have all permanently left the show. Donna had a recurrence of a chronic condition which she said she needed to recuperate from at home, but off-camera she apparently decided to stay there. Odder still, the new season began with Dustin Pari on the team instead of Shannon Sylvia, and no mention of her departure whatsoever. Then, last episode we saw Brian do the tech setup and investigate during the first half of the episode, but without explanation he was simply missing during the investigation in the second half of the episode and Barry was suddenly doing tech.
The new team going forward will now have Dustin doing the post-investigation research, Barry as the tech manager and newcomer (to Ghost Hunting TV) Brandy Green in the position of case manager. I also thought it was very cool that the post-investigation evidence review team is now Barry & Brandy. I still don't get why Andy & Robb don't lend a hand (or Jay & Grant, for that matter) but traditionally the shows seem (to me, at least) to have treated women differently. There have been a half-dozen or more women investigators and none of them have ever been on the regular two-person evidence review team. I hate to suggest sexism because it's really such a minor, subtle thing but subconsciously it's always bothered me a little and I was glad to see Brandy doing that job.
Bodelwyddan Castle apparently only dates back to the late 17th century, although the history of the land goes back much further. Still, although it was apparently designed as a residence for the Williams family it appears to be constructed with authentic features that will be familiar to castle nerds (like myself): Apses on the keep walls with cross-shaped arrow-slits, merlons along the edge of the battlements, etc. There even appeared to be an area for a portcullis. No word on murder-holes, though. For those of a less nerdy persuasion, castles went out of style as a useful military structure right around the time people figured out how to launch cannonballs with gunpowder but despite the relatively recent construction of this castle it does appear to have the hallmarks of military functionality, which many homes designed as "castles" do not, and me likey.
GHI's host took the team on a tour and told them about some of the reported activity. I caught onto a little theme I thought was interesting: In the billiard room he himself had seen a gray figure walking past him out of the corner of his eye and then on another occasion in the same room he said he "felt" someone yelling at him in his ear. He was very clear, he didn't actually hear anything, he just "felt" like someone was yelling in his ear.
Then, in one of the bedrooms he said people had "felt" the presence of a "lady in blue" named "Emily" or "Emilia". There was actually a woman who had once lived there by the name of "Emilia" and there was indeed a painting of her in the building, but in the painting she was not wearing blue. He was also very clear here: no one had seen a woman in blue — they had "felt" her.
This just seemed very odd to me. Of course, we don't know if this happened to a number of unassociated people, randomly and independently or if "people have felt" is just a euphamism and it was really only one person who had this experience, but hypothetically if you had a number of independent experiences where people experienced a woman's presence and even "felt" (sensed, I suppose would be a more apt word) what color she was wearing, that would certainly raise some interesting scientific questions.
One historical incident that seemed to have been confirmed later on was that a previous owner had found bones (apparently human remains) in one of the walls of the house during a renovation, and had them reburied — not in a graveyard on the property but in a different wall of the house. I'm not sure what the reasoning was behind that, and I didn't get a feeling of supreme confidence that this was something that definitely happened but if it did… weird. Weirder still, the new resting place is apparently over a story up and behind an odd statue embedded in the castle known as the "long man".
Robb kicks off the investigation by sending Barry & Brandy out with the thermal camera, which struck me as a little odd. For one thing, that's an honor usually reserved for the "lead" investigators (of both shows) but also it's not the easiest thing in the world to interpret a thermal image and if you're looking for ghosts and you're not trained on the thermal camera, you're chances of getting excited over nothing are probably pretty good. Still, no harm was done and it's good to spread the fun toys around and also to make sure everyone gets to clock some time training on the equipment.
While Barry & Brandy were in the "Toy room", a room filled with Victorian-era gadgets and novelties (and supposedly the favorite haunt of two little girls that drowned after literally skating on thin ice) they heard footsteps and felt as if the floor rose and fell briefly beneath their feet. Robb came up with Dustin and decided to do some EVPs to see if he could replicate their experience.
As an aside, when Robb did his obligatory aside about the definition of an EVP, I actually listened (usually I tune it out because I'm busy taking notes and I already know what an EVP is
) and I nearly choked. Robb's definition is any noise or sound that the investigators did not hear with their own ears at the time. This might just be a "dumbed down for laymen" version, but I have a concern that Robb uses this definition literally. Just recently we saw a sound captured on two separate recorders — which means it was probably an actual sound and therefore something he could have heard with his own ears, and technically not an EVP — but Robb labeled it an EVP and Andy expressed excitement about it being on two different recorders. If this doesn't raise any red flags for you, all I can say is wait until you check out the EVPs they caught on this investigation.
Back in the Toy Room, though, Robb did seem to have some remarkable success. In seeming response to something he says, three knocks come from beneath Dustin's feet. This happens a total of three times, and although it seems they didn't get a response to every question they asked, the responses seemed to be selective (seeming to answer "do you want us to stay?" after "do you want us to leave?" got no reply) and all of the "responses" were in the form of three consecutive knocks which seemed to come from the floor near Dustin (who was standing out in the open in front of everyone).
Robb calls on the radio to get Andy & Brandy (uh oh, that rhymes) into the room below to make sure there isn't anyone in it. Dustin said it sounds/feels exactly like some old lady in an apartment below is banging on the ceiling with a broom to get the kids upstairs to keep the noise down, except Andy verifies that not only is there no one in the room below, but the ceiling in that room is somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty feet high.
In addition to the flanking maneuver BrAndy (you see what I did there?) was running, Robb also called Barry in on the scene with his full-spectrum camera. I thought this teamwork was fantastic and it's something we've never seen on Ghost Hunters. Traditionally the investigators go in teams of two and investigate different parts of the site or take shifts staring at the video feeds but calling the entire team in to effectively seal and document a spot where activity seems to be happening is, I think, a fantastic use of resources and it certainly makes the investigation more exciting to watch.
In the end, they got one last bit of activity and then the door at the foot of the steps leading from the room BrAndy (yes, I'm going to keep doing that) was in seemed to close on its own. Andy tried to rule out air currents as a possibility, but long-time readers will know that doors closing on their own is on Stephen's list of things that don't impress him, and for good reason. Still, I was a bit impressed because if we are to assume there was some invisible entity doing the knocking then we could interpret the door closing as that entity going downstairs and leaving — and the activity did seem to stop after that. It's not remotely scientific, but it's still kind of spooky.
BrAndy took the opportunity to head into a room where one of the castle's staff seemed convinced there was a male entity that disliked women. She claimed to have had her hair pulled and clothes tugged, so Brandy bravely sat out in the middle of the room and suggested to any nearby spirits that they accost her in the same manners at their leisure. Nothing seemed to happen to her but Andy was filming with the thermal camera and something weird happened. Brandy asked (the empty air) if it were part of the Williams family. Nothing happened, but when she asked if it had lived here suddenly the thermal image on the FLIR went a bit wacky. Her followup question was, "Did you die here?" and the same thing happened again, almost in response to her.
Essentially what happened was that the area surrounding Brandy went completely black, but Brandy was still plainly visible. The temperature registered in the center of the image did not change, nor did the range of the temperature scale — two important indicators to check before concluding what we were seeing actually represents a change in the environment. Still, the entire room aside from Brandy was in colors at the very bottom of the scale, so even a slight temperature change might have pushed the rest of the image into the black.
Still, I'm not sure that's what happened either. In the moments where the rest of the image went black, there seemed to be a change in the way Brandy registered as well. Parts of her that read the hottest (bare skin) seemed to register slightly cooler (which is consistent with the rest of the room) but parts of her that should normally read cooler (hair, clothes, etc) suddenly registered white, at the top of the scale. That didn't make any sense to me — I don't know how that could even be possible. My thinking is that maybe the whole thing was just the camera glitching out?
In any case, nothing more came of it — they didn't even show it during the Reveal (or if they did, it was left on the cutting room floor), and BrAndy moved on to the basement, and then the crawlspace beneath part of the castle. While underneath one of the rooms Andy heard footsteps above him moving clearly from one part of the room to another. He had Brandy call on the radio to check team positions but no one was near the room, but they hurried over there to verify that no one was skulking around — again, I'm liking this teamwork. Robb, Dustin & Barry didn't hear any footsteps in the room either, but a bit later they heard some coming from upstairs. After verifying that BrAndy was still in the basement they went up to check it out, but came up empty.
During the evidence review they confirmed that the 3-knocks they'd heard a number of times were in fact audible on the tape and in one case were actually quite loud and obvious. I have no idea, especially because the knocks consistently came three-at-a-time, what rational explanation could reasonably account for that evidence other than hoaxing — and with so many people in plain sight of each other it quickly becomes a distasteful conspiracy theory to suggest anyone on the team might have been involved. I will say that without knowing the exact details of the interior layout it's possible someone who works at the castle had secreted themselves away in some fashion and was playing "ghost" for the evening, but the team seemed confident they'd covered that possibility with BrAndy's flanking maneuver.
There was also an "orb" photo on Barry's full-spectrum camera which appeared to be moving exactly parallel to the floor (horizontally), was very well defined and even seemed to be giving off its own light since we could see what appeared to be a reflection off the glass in the background. I'd still want an imaging expert (or ten) to review it and make sure it's not just lens flare or something like that, but on the surface I'd agree that it doesn't seem to be dust and it does seem to defy conventional explanation.
Another oddity was captured, not by the team but by the castle's own security cameras. One section of the building had been locked up and contained a number of relics, including some pottery figures. Not only were the figures heavy, but they had been secured with museum putty in order to ensure they stayed in place. Right about the time the GHI team got their investigation going the security footage shows one of the figures topple over on its own. The security camera coverage virtually guarantees no one was in that room or anywhere near it at the time, and the figure in question was on a table with a number of other pottery figures that did not move.
This is another one of those things that seems a bit spooky when viewed in the context of everything else that is/was going on, however on its own it doesn't seem all that strange to me. Hypothetically, the figure in question might not be well-balanced and therefore prone to falling over. The museum putty might not have been properly applied, or perhaps it was but the weight-balance of the figure eventually overcame the grip of the putty anyway. It's not necessarily the likliest of scenarios, but certainly both possible and plausible. Still, as I said, when viewed in the overall context I can understand why it might be worth mentioning.
What I think is definitely worth mentioning, though, is the EVP evidence they collected on this investigation. There were two recordings. In one, Robb says, "Great night for an investigation" and we hear what sounds like a reasonably clear, "yeah" in response. In the other we hear Robb ask, "This is where the Blue Lady was seen?" and then what seems to be a very clear (and immediate), "Yes."
Here is my problem: All of the investigators spent hours asking questions like, "What is your name?" "Were you part of the Williams Family?" "Did you live here?" "Did you die here?" etc. These are all questions that are aimed at the alleged spirits. Why is it then, that the only two "EVPs" the team got were when Robb was clearly talking to other team members?
I couldn't find if we see Robb saying "Great night for an investigation" on the production footage, but we do see Robb ask about the Blue Lady. When he asks, he's standing right next to Barry, looking right at him. It's extremely clear that he is asking Barry the question, but right after it comes out of his mouth there is an edit/cut to Dustin, who was also in the room at the time.
Personally, even though "yes" is a very short, single-syllable word (and this might just be my imagination, but…) it really sounds like Barry's voice and accent to me. Even if it isn't, it might have been Dustin. What I'm saying is, are we really supposed to believe that no one answered Robb's question? The way they edited it, Dustin seemed to be answering (but not with a simple "yes"), however there is a clear edit there so for all we know Barry said, "yes" and Dustin elaborated.
Similarly, if a spirit was going to choose only two moments during the evening to be recorded, why would one of the moments be in reponse to Robb saying it was a "Great night for an investigation" ? Isn't it far more likely that it was just another team member or even one of the crew expressing agreement with him?
I thought this was a great investigation, and I even found parts of the evidence somewhat compelling, but these "EVPs" disturb me greatly. If the GHI team is labeling these recordings as paranormal then I don't think I can ever take another one of their EVPs remotely serious again. It was one thing when we hear a woman's voice say something ordinary, but we're told no women were in the building at the time; it's quite another thing when we hear what amounts to exactly the reply you would expect to hear from a fellow team-member, in a voice that could easily belong to someone who was in the room at the time.
For me, as minor a thing to get upset over as this might seem, this EVP evidence cast a dark shadow over what otherwise would have been a very enjoyable investigation to watch. And it was enjoyable, but I'm left uneasy.
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Comments on GHI: Bodelwyddan Castle »
Ryan @ 2:50 am
Couldn't have said it any better myself. I was quite upset that no one ever questioned those EVPS, because they were likely just team members.. I would have also liked to see some more debunking in regards to the distinct knocking sounds in the toy room. I was also hoping to see some sheep on the thermal when they went outside to the trenches!!!
I was impressed with the teamwork though.. I'd like to see Jason and Grant use this type of coordination when attempting to rule out possible crew interference.
Lar @ 5:48 am
As YOU said, "…the only two "EVPs" the team got were when Robb was clearly talking to other team members?"
It WAS obviously a team member! Or the evening's gHOST was a CH…Cordial Haunting. One that agrees & tries to please it's investigators.
The statue falling? Just too coincedental. No other statue's fallen before? If they have that many video cams how come they've never documented ALL the other experiences?
Watch THIS: At Approx. 1:50 the statue in the background falls. Do not watch IT, but instead stare at the smaller figure directly in front of if (at its base) in the foreground. Stop the video at 1:51 the moment it falls. You clearly see a white whispery "wiggle," then hit play & watch it fly away.
Your thoughts:
YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQFjzHmzwg8
You could not hear the difference between the eerie
music & the actual bumps. Especially when the music itself has loud BUMPS. I know they add music to enhance the experience, but I often feel they do so to better mask one that isn't as haunting.
The solid 3 bumps that Barry hears (cue video to 8:20):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbqqwxQZeFg
is impressive, but it's the castle dates back to tye mid 1800's. Renovations aside. It could be anything. My house was built in the 1960's. I too hear an occasional noise.
I best document it with my Barry Broadband Bumpo Meter.
Jef @ 6:01 am
Dustin brings back the upside down and backwards visor!
EVP's were weak sauce and I agree the second sounded a lot like Barry.
I thought it interesting how much emphasis Robb put on how well the team worked together. And I won't deny that they demonstrated some real chemistry, it just seems a bit odd that he made such a big deal out of it on this episode with three familiar faces left behind. Makes you wonder. Well, it makes me wonder.
But I was let down they didn't go outside - I know they had a lot to cover but world war I training trenches and people buried on the property seemed such a fine opportunity for something a little different and fun. Oh well.
I have to admit, the Long Man gives me the creeps. Even the name is a little unsettling.
Lar @ 6:24 am
Dustin wears his cap right side up, with his hair spiked as a GH tactic to better document sightings.
Think about it. If you saw that guy you'd say:
He's Pale. His hair's sticking straight up. He looks like he's just seen a ghost!
CrowTRobot @ 7:33 am
I really felt this was the best episode of GHI yet; and frankly, better than any recent GHs…..
until the reveal. The two EVPs were clearly team/production members. The orb……I just don't get excited about orbs.
The video of the statue falling was interesting, but something just seemed odd about it. It's like we don't really see it 'fall'. It's standing there, then it's laying down.
I'll have to go back and look at it again.
Still, I thought this was the best episode GHI has done.
EDIT: Lar, I just looked at that clip of the falling statue. I saw the 'wiggle' - interesting. I'll have to look at it again this afternoon (damn work schedule), but it almost looks like a reglection on the glass.
hammer1 @ 8:55 am
Regarding the statue. Don't a lot of security cameras record a lot lower frame per second then the 30 FPS that is considered "real time".
I just did a search and found out it is possible. Link in my name. FBI says 2 FPS is minimum for surveillance cameras. So if the camera was a lower FPS you would see those effects described above I am guessing.
Logisti @ 9:19 am
I didn't know about the FBI standard, I was under the impression 1 FPS was okay but yes, surveillance cameras are able to record long periods of time and be reviewed relatively quickly because they record at a much slower framerate (but they can be played back at normal framerate). What we're seeing on the tape essentially represents two still photos of the pottery figure, one snapped a second (or half-second) before the other.
Logisti @ 9:26 am
@Lar, I see the white wiggle you mentioned but it only occurs during the 2nd play-through of the tape (and also because this is a security camera at low framerate, nothing should move smoothly like that) — I think it was just a reflection on the glass of the TV screen. In fact, I think I can even tell you what: It's their host's watch. It has a large glass face that (I know from experience) can readily catch and reflect light. The wiggle moves in conjunction with him taking his hand away from the play button.
Patrick @ 9:41 am
Well, this review makes me want to watch the show. I have given priority to Monster Quest lately, and only watch GHI if Logisti's review makes it seem worthwhile.
Speaking of MQ, where's the review of Chupucabra from last week?!?!?!?! You can't have anything better to do!
Logisti @ 10:23 am
@Patrick: I know, I know
Look for it later today.
Dixie @ 12:10 pm
I very much like the way this new team worked together. I like them calling out to check each others location…I enjoyed the show alot better this week.
windwhisperer @ 2:57 pm
I thought there might have been a little mention about Donna and Brian not being there. It was just swept under the carpet.
I noticed that statue too. First it's up and then it's down. We never saw it fall. Hmm….
I think Andy debunked the bones in the statue too quickly.
(I've come to hate that word debunk)
The lady that was the historian or whatever she was verified the bone story. Or was it just a story handed down to make the place seem mysterious?
I just don't know what to make of Barry's picture that looked like a flying lemon.
What evp's? Sounded like them talking.
Can somebody, anybody convince Robb that he doesn't have to explain what an EVP is in every single show. This time it sounded down right stupid.
Why weren't the bones discussed at the reveal?
Ryan @ 3:31 pm
It seems to be a given every episode that a member of the team explains what an EVP and / or FLIR is to the audience. This is done because I'm sure every episode there is at least one first time viewer that is clueless. Alienating a first time viewer would be very bad for ratings. However, I agree with you that it becomes very redundant and annoying for long time viewers.
gem @ 6:12 pm
Great synopsis, Logisti! And not just because you made me laugh with BrAndy!
What a great night overall for GHI! IMO the top 2 shows of the series so far airing back to back!
I thought this was really the most entertaining show yet. I loved the teamwork; it made for a very compelling and exciting watch. But those EVPs were pathetic; I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking, "you've got to be kidding!" Luckily they only tainted the end of the show; the beginning and middle were great.
I also liked it that Brandy was reviewing evidence. I'm really happy with her so far. She's very capable and obviously not a newcomer to ghost hunting (how refreshing!)
And I LOVE the new focus on showing Dustin doing research. Did anyone else have the thought that they did this in response to all the research being shown on Paranormal State?
It's funny how Andy keeps finding things. First that hair dryer in New Zealand and now the ladder - he's the most resourceful ghost hunter ever!
TP @ 7:59 am
I couldn't help but think someone was hoaxing. How do we know there are not hidden tunnels in the castle and someone isn't knocking, then hiding again. Someone should have stayed in the hallway as well.
Overall, I liked the episode.
ElleAmental @ 10:20 pm
I never heard any knocking until the third incident, when I clearly heard four "knocks." The first knocks seemed only to be part of the post production music to me. The voice in response to Robb's question is clearly Barry. I mean come ON. My first thought was "why are they answering each OTHER on alleged EVP sessions?" Then I realized they weren't EVP sessions. They always announce their EVP sessions. Robb needs to lighten up and try and enjoy himself, Andy clearly does and his excitement is contagious.
wwayneross @ 10:33 pm
Looking at the FLIR images in the OP, looks like Brandy has a bit of a temperature in the second pic. According to the scale, white is 111 + degrees. I'd say it was nothing more than a camera glitch.
kevin @ 12:27 pm
Concerning the knocks on the floor: Robb assumes there is nothing under the floor but the ceiling above the ground floor. But I noticed the ceiling is vaulted. Could there be a crawlspace or even a subfloor between the ground floor and the floor above it? If so, it leaves open the possibility of a hoax. Could there be water pipes running between floors?
Stephen @ 1:49 pm
I had thought that perhaps Barry's feeling the floor jumping and the statue falling might be caused by a local tremor, since Wales has been having them this year. About an hour's worth of work with USGS's worldwide database, and… no luck. Oh well. It was worth a try.
Logisti @ 2:10 pm
That certainly sounds more realistic than my theory about inter-dimensional rift activity emanating from Cardiff. Still, one must take The Doctor at his word.
crisfneves @ 9:00 am
I don’t know if it’s worth mentioning, but when I was watching the episode, I was sure I had heard something, and I was sure it would turn out as an EVP on the analysis. Very likely it was just someone on the crew talking or maybe that stupid music. Anyways, it happens around 24:20 on the episode.
Dustin asks “If you are the lady in this room, can you tell us what your name is?”
They cut to Robb (meaning, some time could have passed), the music rises, and, just before Dustin talks again, what sounded to me and my brother like a woman’s voice can be heard. I don’t understand what it says, but it’s weird, especially because brandy was on the basement, with Andy. Right when it happens, Dustin asks for Barry to stand by his side, because he is feeling it cold. Also the knocking sounds starts again.
Off course the cameraman could be a woman, but it is rare. And it kind of feels like it’s the stupid music. I wish the entire show would be only the original sounds!!!
I don’t know if they analyze the production footage, I think not. If they did I don’t think they would hesitate to add it as EVP, since it sounded better to me than those “yes”s
But it’s probably nothing…
CrowTRobot @ 10:20 am
crisfneves: Good catch; I'd forgotten that. I thought I heard something as well. To me it didn't sound like 'Emily' or 'Emilia'; still, I was interested to see if they were going to try to pass it off as an EVP.
I just listened to it again: It sounds like someone whispering, "Thank you."
Oh. And you're correct. It actually would have made a better EVP than the ones they used.
EDIT: Interestingly, if you continue to listen, at the 4:47 mark (youtube part 3) after Robb asks "Who's walking around up here?" you hear what sounds like a voice coming over a walkie - talkie, etc. No idea what it says.
CrowTRobot @ 10:56 am
OK. I got some spare time, so I went back to read some of the comments regarding the voice at 24:20 (3:56 youtube part 3). Someone thought it said "Emilia". It's a bit of a stretch, but I suppose you could 'hear' that if you really wanted to.
In fact, I wonder if they had intended to use that as an EVP but realized that it could be heard on the show……Not that I'm suggesting there's any hanky-panky going on with their EVPs…
crisfneves @ 11:45 am
Actually, the first time I heard, I thought it sounded like “I’m here”, then, I thought it was “Up here”. But I guess it’s one of those things you can hear pretty much anything, sort of a listening version of a Rorschach test, LOL
And CrowTRobot, at the 4:47 mark it does sound like someone talking on the walkie…
Jef @ 12:58 am
If anyone is interested, Donna appeared with Robb at the San Diego Comic Con two weeks ago so I don't believe she has been completely detached from the show. The Sci Fi website has a video of their panel (that was intended to include Jason from TAPS but he was unable to attend).
They did confirm at that point that GHI has been renewed for a second season, so at least we'll have that to look forward to.
The video is certainly worth your time if you watch the show, Donna had something especially interesting to say about the K2 meter that TAPS uses so often. Robb also says we will be seeing some crazy new tools from Barry and even suggested some sort of device to allow for real time communication with the beyond.
Just throwin some stuff out there.