July 24, 2008
GHI: Samlesbury Hall
This investigation takes the GHI team to merry olde England, and a fairly ancient place called Samlesbury Hall. Before they get there, though, we are introduced to Brandy Green, the Ghost Hunters International team's new case manager. This threw me a bit. I know Donna was the case manager for TAPS back on the original Ghost Hunter show in the early seasons — is/was she also the case manager for GHI? Is Brandy's arrival a sign that Donna isn't coming back? I hope not. Especially seeing as the prior investigation saw Robb calling J&G back in the states asking for someone (Kris) to temporarily fill in while Donna was recuperating.
…but wait, what's this? Barry is setting up the equipment. Isn't that Brian's job? In fact, where is Brian? I don't think we saw him since we met Brandy. That's rather odd. Since when do team members just vanish without being mentioned? I mean, Donna's absence has been explained thoroughly and even became an issue in the previous investigation (because they were an investigator short). Then again, Shannon just vanished into thin air while the show was on hiatus.
Wait a minute… could this mean Brian was fired? But he was doing so well this season! He didn't tell us how shadows were looking at him and chasing him once since GHI came back. If he's really gone permanently I can't say I'll be upset but I know a lot of other fans will. The oddest thing here is that Shannon vanished when the show took a few months off. Brian just vanished essentially in the middle of an episode, halfway through. Some people complained when Brian's original firing/rehiring/firing became part of the storyline in Ghost Hunters but I have to say, this "person vanishes and is never mentioned again" stuff is way spookier than any of the evidence this team is collecting. It reminds me of a certain Stargate: Atlantis episode where the main computer is erasing dead citizens from the minds of the remaining ones, as if they never existed. Creepy.
Moving on, when Dustin saw the place they were going to investigate he said it looked like a "Gothic Gingerbread House". That's a pretty good description of the place. Also, "sprawling" comes to mind. The buildings seemed rather short, I would say the tallest section was two stories, but they seemed to be primarily long, narrow structures that framed out some rather nice courtyards within a larger campus. The buildings themselves were styled in a latticework pattern of brown and cream. Apparently the original construction on the site goes all the way back to 1325, but I suspect there has been a lot of renovating since then because the place doesn't look nearly its age.
As one might expect with a nearly 700 year-old location, there are many legends. One was of a priest that was murdered by soldiers. When they beheaded him the floor was stained with blood and the blood wouldn't wash out no matter what anyone did. Apparently they bricked up the room for 200 years and when they opened it up again the first thing they did was replace the floor — but now the new floor shows what are purported to be blood stains as well.
Another legend was of Lady Dorothea, who was going to marry a protestant (hey, these things were serious issues back then!). I wasn't clear if it were she or her lover (or both) who were killed but supposedly the skeletal hand of her lover was discovered by a team installing a new drainage system and in the hand he still clutched her engagement ring. In another story, a police car was driving past the building and hit a woman in white (Lady Dorothea, supposedly) who promptly vanished into thin air (like Brian) but left a dent on the front of the vehicle.
Robb & Andy began the night walking through the buildings and entire campus staring at their FLIR screens. This inevitably led to a lot of confused, "what is that?" moments, but in getting used to their new eyes they were eventually able to identify every anomalous blip they saw. As they were walking through one of the outdoor areas they heard a rather interesting "bang", and aimed the camera in that direction — if there had been a person over there it should have been clear as day to them, but they saw no one. Moving towards where the sound had come from they suddenly heard what seemed to be the same sound again, but this time from back in the direction they had just come from.
That was the extent of this experience, and to their credit they did not bring it up (that we saw) during the reveal later on, but it deserves mention because it did seem slightly odd. The fact that they were outdoors with the FLIR also gave them the ability to see any would-be hoaxers in the dark, which is kind of cool. The sounds might still easily have a natural explanation, but this incident was the closest the team came to supernatural all night.
In the room where the Priest was reported to have been beheaded Andy examined the floor and noticed that there was particleboard underneath, which he said dated the floor to post-WWII. He also noted that there was no spatter effect and I believe he ruled out bloodstains on that point. I don't agree with that logic — if there had been seeped underneath the original floor and then soaked into the new floor it would not leave a spatter — but while I disagree with how he reached it, the conclusion is likely correct: the stain is probably water or something else (it didn't even look like blood) and because of the legend people are just predisposed to think any stain on that floor must be the priest's blood.
Speaking of "because of the legend", Dustin did a great job filling in for Donna in researching the case after the investigation: There was no police report on record that corroborated the story of a police car hitting a ghost (or being involved in any sort of accident) at this location. Of course, one could easily imagine the officer in the car realized he couldn't very well file a report that he hit someone and then claim the person vanished into thin air — they'd probably think he'd killed them and buried the body.
However Dustin also found out that while there didn't seem to be any report of finding human remains during construction on the property there was a report of finding wild boar bones. This offers the beginning of an interesting hypothesis: perhaps the legends led workers to originally believe they had dug up the bones of Lady Dorothea's protestant lover, and when it became clear the bones weren't human the story was just too good to stop telling.
In fact, despite their hosts claims that Samlesbury Hall was "the most haunted house in all of Great Britain" the GHI team found nothing, which seemed a great disappointment to him. I kind of felt bad too, because he seemed to be an amiable chap who really treasured all the stories he'd collected about the place, but if there are any spirits haunting those premises then they must have made alternate plans for the night when they heard GHI was coming.
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Comments on GHI: Samlesbury Hall »
Logisti @ 3:16 pm
UPDATE: Donna & Brian spoke about their recent departures from GHI on their B_Ware radio show and apparently NEITHER of them is coming back (Thanks to Shannon, for bringing this to our attention).
Donna cites the adverse affects of the long hours and constant traveling on her health, while Brian cites "artistic differences" (j/k) — he said he wants to spend more time with his family, and despite the fact that's what everyone says when they "resign" (read: fired) if you actually listen to him, he sounds like he really means it. Also, he's savvy to the gossip and specifically states, "If anyone tells you that I got fired or that I was let go they are lying."
His primary gripe is apparently that when he, Andy and Donna pitched the show to Pilgrim it was supposed to be in the U.S. but Pilgrim asked them to do the pilot overseas. The next thing he knew they were doing the whole show overseas, but they'd get to go home for a week every month. Then that stretched out to where they were overseas for more than a month at a time, with travel schedules that could change five times and they'd never know what they were doing or where they were going until they were practically on the plane.
It certainly doesn't sound as much fun as it looks — although he goes on to say how much fun it was. I get what he means though.
windwhisperer @ 11:14 pm
I missed Brian when he left GH. It seemed like him and Steve were a good team. They had fun together and Steve could always make him laugh.
I'm sure he did have fun while he was in Europe. But you could sort of tell in the last two episodes of GHI that his heart wasn't really in it. I'm going to miss him on GHI too. I wish him the best.
Camile @ 9:56 am
Although I do wish Brian all the best, I am happy to hear that he is gone. Now if I could just hear that Joe Chin would be leaving GH I could go back to enjoying theses shows wholeheartedly. Having to get up to go make a sandwich whenever they come on the screen is getting pretty old but it's either leave the room and make a snack or yell at the tv at what eejits they are!
Handsty @ 12:08 pm
Logisti, you stated referring to Brian that "His primary gripe is apparently that when he, Andy and Donna pitched the show to Pilgrim it was supposed to be in the U.S. but Pilgrim asked them to do the pilot overseas." I listened to the podcast. Was he referring to GHI? Doesn't the "I" stand for "International?" I believe Brian. I will miss him for the comedic relief but we still have Tat (Steve G.) and Tango for that on GH. I WILL NOT miss Duh-na. Only air between the ears and learn how to SPEAK UP!!!
Logisti @ 12:40 pm
Yeah, the backstory basically includes Andy, Donna and Brian (all of whom had been TAPS members and appeared on GH) teaming up to work on something they called "The Project", but the next thing anyone heard was GHI.
What Brian is basically saying (I think) is that they went to Pilgrim and said, 'We should have our own Ghost Hunting show' and Pilgrim then basically said, 'Sure, sounds good. How do you feel about filming the first episode overseas?' and they thought, 'Wow, hardcore! They're really getting this show off to a big start!'
But as Pilgrim continued to hone their new project they eventually had terms dictated to them that they didn't like: Their new show was going to be called "Ghost Hunters: International" and it was going to be all-overseas.
It's important to remember that Pilgrim is the production company, which basically means they pay the bills. The way television often works is someone (a writer or someone who has some industry cred) has an idea, which they shop around to production companies. If a production company likes it, they buy the idea and depending on the contract they might have full creative control.
The production company then works out all the details of the show (including changes to the original concept), produces episodes and sells those episodes to television networks, which then get advertisers to sponsor the show.
For anyone to whom this is basic, obvious stuff, I apologize for boring you. I think it's important to go over in this case, though, because some people may only have a rough idea of how these things work.
Working backwards, the TV network wants to buy shows that will be as popular as possible, so they can raise the rates they charge advertisers. This puts pressure on production studios to deliver extremely engineered products (tv shows) so they can prove to the TV networks how well the show "tests" with certain age groups, etc. Inevitably this leads to "tweaking" the shows they are selling in order to maximize their saleability.
This doesn't just apply to new shows, it also has a huge affect on season renewals. I would not be at all surprised if someone at Sci-Fi said to pilgrim, 'GH is getting old, we need some new personalities that will attract new viewers'. Then someone at Pilgrim may have told J&G if they wanted to make another season of the show they needed to deliver an attractive female ghost hunter, which may have led them to contact Kris and see if she was interested.
That's all pure speculation on my part, but it gives a good illustration of how much of a business this is, and how that can play into compromising artistic vision. And when I say "compromising" I mean exactly that: not all compromises are bad, but overall the effect often end up broadening the appeal of a show (to a larger demographic) while lessening its appeal to the core audience.
Shannon @ 3:19 pm
Great analysis as always Logisti! I think that a spinoff show was a no-brainer for SciFi & Pilgrim. Certainly Brian & Donna were recognizable to fans of Ghosthunters and they already had a nice fan base to work off of plus it gives them more programming of that genre when Ghosthunters is on hiatus. I was thinking though-surely they had contracts to do the show-I thought it was pretty amazing they could just basically leave in the middle of the season.
Stephen @ 1:03 am
I liked this one. The debunking was solid and pretty irrefutable (I loved the particle board moment). I felt sorry for their host, left "deflated" after some fact-checking had essentially wiped out all of his stories.
If all visits were like this, I wouldn't bother with this Skeptical Viewer nonsense and would spend more time in the sunlight. Everyone would win!