June 18, 2008
GH: Fort Delaware
This investigation clears up (somewhat) a question Ghost Hunters fans have been asking all season: What ever happened to the "Hunt for the Hunter" guy they picked to be a new team member? Apparently, he's been in the general vicinity of Delaware this whole time and he joins TAPS on this investigation.
Fort Delaware is on Pea Patch Island, accessible only by boat, and is pretty impressively gigantic, even compared with some of the other places TAPS has investigated. I'm not sure if it's actually bigger than all of them, but the look and layout definitely make it feel that way.
The fort was constructed beginning in 1848 and took 20 years to complete. It was used extensively during the civil war, largely as an enormous POW camp. It is estimated that over 33,000 prisoners were housed there at one time, and as many as 2,500 people are believed to have died within its walls.
There have been stories of activity for some time, but our favorite Ghost Hunters are privileged to be the first team permitted to investigate on the premises. I have to admit, I got a little excited too. It's a pretty impressive place to have all to yourself, not to mention being the first team in there.
Many of the phenomena reported seem to correspond with what Grant (who has recently been very good about not repeating it unnecessarily) would call a "Residual" style haunting. One man slipped and fell down a concrete staircase, broke his neck and crushed his skull — since then people occasionally hear what sounds like someone thumping and thudding down that staircase. Another recurrent tale is that of a maid walks into the mess hall, dusts a fireplace mantle that no longer exists and exits through a door that no longer goes anywhere; etc.
There were also a couple of reports that fit better into the so-called "Intelligent" haunting category. Some of them aren't very friendly either: one woman reported having a door slam and a woman's voice scold her while another had a lamp thrown at her, shattering glass everywhere. All-in-all, there is a solid history of strange goings-on and the team can't wait to get started on their investigation.
Grant started the night off by attempting to debunk the lamp-throwing incident, he speculates the woman may have caught her foot on the cord and not realized it. They can't really test his idea though, so they settle for some K2 meter work. As per their recent SOP the team places an activated K2 meter on a table and sits a short distance away — and the meter lights up shortly thereafter. I was impressed that Jay & Grant quickly dismissed the (weak) responses they seemed to be getting as not paranormal.
Tango started the night off partnered with someone other than Steve for once, as Joe continues to reprise his role of "unexciting new team member". Joe, if you're reading this I know it's tough man, but you've got Tango to live up to and he debunked some serious (and seriously faked) video evidence pretty much his first day on the job. It's unfair, I know but we expect big things.
Tango also gets my vote for best spirit conversation of the evening with, "If you're really trying to communicate, you really need to try harder."
Still, the only activity the pair bore witness to seemed to be a response to Joe's request for a rock to be thrown. What happened just a few seconds later sounded like exactly that. Dave tried to debunk it when he theorized it might have been one of the many stalactites hanging from the basement ceiling, cracking and hitting the ground — but the sound of that material was much softer, so the mystery remains.
Kristyn is back too, and for some unknown reason she's been paired with Mark Fusetti, the guy who was selected to be the next Ghost Hunter in the Hunt for the Hunter contest. I guess Jay & Grant don't like him well enough to actually have a more senior investigator work with and train him — or else they just didn't think of it. After all, it took this long to pair Joe with Tango.
This is neither here not there regarding the specifics of this investigation, but in general it seems like TAPS is too cliquey and that's hindering their effectiveness. Jay always pairs off with Grant, Steve and Tango are often paired, Kris is usually paired with Joe or Kristyn, etc. I think they'd be more effectiveness if they mixed that up a bit, but that's one man's opinion.
Jay and Grant decided to head off the beaten path and take their FLIR camera with them. Shortly after entering some tunnels they heard the clear sounds of footsteps, movement and possibly voices — Grant wasn't entirely clear in his description and unfortunately it wasn't audible in the production audio. Strange sounds continued to occur around them, including one Jay thought sounded like a growl of some sort but Grant believed to be someone chuckling. All of this culminated in a marvelous moment with the FLIR camera which seems to show the clear outline of a human figure at the end of a corridor step out from a perpendicular corridor, turn around and step back into it.
Now, my first impression is that this was likely a living, breathing person, not only because that's the most likely explanation for that heat signature in the camera but also because the behavior seems a bit odd. If it had walked across the corridor I might have understood, but to step into view, turn around and step out of view in the direction you just came from just seems a bit artificial to me. Imagine my surprise when Grant immediately seconded my opinion and decided to give chase.
The dynamic duo don't like it when people try to play hoaxes on them — or as we saw in another recent investigation, they get a bit peeved if they even suspect someone might not be on the level — so when Jay & Grant decided to find out who was messing with them I was curious how they'd go about it and how effective they would be in achieving that goal.
I guess I had my answer fairly early on, as they called out-loud to each other regarding where they believed the person may have gone (thus giving any actual person ample warning to move) and Grant told Jason how he had gotten "mad K2 readings about 50 feet back". Since K2 meters aren't normally used to detect living humans I am left to assume Grant is either soft in the head or else he wasn't actually treating this like someone might be hoaxing them.
So, after Grant proclaimed that he had moved "as fast as he could" and "saw no signs of anybody" they decided to set up the thermal imaging camera on a tripod in the spot where they first recorded the anomaly to see if it recurred.
Fatefully, the next cut was to Joe Chin, who was now investigating the mess hall with Kris. Sorry Joe, no more training for you. The two decided to try for some EVPs after a brief EMF spike; I must say I did like couple of the questions they asked (such as, how many people are in this room besides me and my friend?) but mostly is was the same dynamic we've come to expect.
Steve, who had been noticeably missing from the episode until now, finally makes his post lights-out debut. He and Dave are investigating the tunnels, and quickly come across some strange writing on the walls, as Steve reads out, "For a good time call Mrs. Tango." Actually, it turns out there wasn't any actual writing. What was I saying earlier about dynamics we've come to expect? This time Steve ups the ante though, by carrying around a giant aerosol canister of spider spray. No joke. It didn't stop him from embarrassing himself by screaming at the first spider he ran into though.
Yes, once again a Steve/Tango scene begins with joking around and ends two minutes later with them commiserating over their shared fear and disgust for spiders. Hey guys, you know what would be even more interesting? Looking for ghosts!
…and to be fair it's not their fault. Pilgrim cuts the episodes together and whoever is in charge of doing that job seems to have a very different idea than I about what should remain on the cutting room floor, but then again he's the professional and maybe that's what most viewers like, although somehow I doubt it.
In the kitchen Jay & Grant have been trying and failing to get something, anything to happen with their normal approach. One of them remembers some of the stories and decides that the spirit might be more open if they started to talk about how great cooking is, and within moments there was an enormous BANG from somewhere behind Jason. That may be the most startled he's ever been on camera (they had to bleep him too) and the pair wasted no time trying to find out what had caused the noise. Unfortunately, they came up empty handed.
In an upstairs hallway Dave & Steve are still investigating together, but things haven't gotten any less pet-peevier for me, as the first thing we hear is Steve explaining to Tango how people see full-bodied, non-vaporous apparitions walking down this very hallway. To hear him tell it you'd think they were reported in droves, but what he is referring to is the tour guide's reference to a single marine who reported seeing what he thought was a civil war reenactor dressed as a confederate soldier pass him in the hall, and then when he turned to greet the man he wasn't there anymore. As has been pointed out, Steve's habit of giving his investigative partners tours of their own is not only tiresome and unnecessary, but he often gives incorrect or exaggerated details.
…and I have to apologize that this post seems to have become something of a diatribe on issues we've been discussing with the show this season. I had high hopes when this investigation started, but alas they were dashed — somewhat.
It was a bit of a big moment when Jay & Grant pulled Kris Williams aside and told her they were taking the "in training" off her job title and making her a full-fledged investigator. Follow that up with Jay & Grant investigating the tunnels again, but this time with their contest-winner Mark Fusetti, and things are looking up again.
As they did their normal EVP-evoking spirit-talk there was a clatter of noise and Jay broke off with Mark while Grant stayed behind. They didn't get far before Grant saw something down a nearby tunnel and gave chase, but it seemed to have been another false alarm — a window with a light that seemed to vanish and reappear if you moved your head slightly.
Mark gave some of his thoughts on the location and investigation to the camera and the two lead investigators. His title of "Guest Investigator" is more reminiscent of a certain pro-wrestler than Kris Williams though, and it doesn't appear likely he'll become a regular member of the team.
During the analysis there was some decent audio captured. At one point when Joe & Kris are messing around and laughing a voice in the background seems to say, "Show some respect". I wouldn't say it's one of the more convincing EVPs the Ghost Hunters have ever put forth, but I do get a kick out of the idea that Joe & Kris pairing off has the potential to annoy even the dead.
With Jay's loud kitchen BANG there were a couple of interesting developments. First off, investigators in other parts of the fort heard the bang when it happened — it was really quite loud, but also there seemed to be an EVP immediately preceding the sound. Tango thought it was a woman's voice saying, "…kitchen", to me the two-syllable sound seems closer to that of an old cuckoo clock but it's an interesting find nonetheless.
Lee, the historian who took TAPS on their initial tour of the fort listened to the footage and didn't make much of the EVP either, but after hearing the BANG caught by the production crew in the kitchen and then the same sound recorded by a different team in a different part of the fort he immediately said it sounded like cannon fire, and that there had been cannons stationed just outside of the kitchen where Jay had been sitting.
I will mention here that when they initially investigated the sound Grant noticed what appeared to be a stack of firewood near an empty metal drum and he dropped a piece of wood onto the drum to see if that could have been the source of the sound. The result was fairly loud, but not quite as loud and everyone seemed to agree it didn't really match up with the original sound — I mention it here only because although I agree with their assessment, it would seem all earthly possibilities should be considered and I don't think we can completely rule out the possibility it might have been a piece of wood falling on that metal drum.
The thermal footage is, of course, the most intriguing topic for discussion and they played the original footage Grant captured again. The figure in the image seems to be oddly nonchalant in the way it enters the hallway from the right, turns and leaves the same way. It almost looks as if the figure has its hands in its pockets. Certainly, the behavior doesn't seem normal, but it doesn't seem purposeful in any way — at least, I would expect a hoaxer to be moving around more furtively, unless he somehow knew they were using a thermal camera.
What the team captured while the thermal camera was left unattended on a tripod was a bit more in line with my expectations: a form (head and shoulders) leans out into the tunnel as if looking towards the camera and then leans back out of sight.
Now, Grant insists that they swept the entire area and that there was no one there, and it would have been too difficult for someone to sneak in there without anyone knowing, and that every team member and every production crew member was accounted for, but I'm just not convinced.
For one thing, he didn't seem to even consider the possibility that a member of the fort's staff might be trying to stage a haunting. For another, unlike some of the other thermal footage they've captured, this isn't something appearing in the middle of a room and seeming to vanish without obvious means of escape, it seems clear this entity is limiting its exposure by only entering hallway briefly and quickly retreating the way it had come.
Part of this could have been easily solved if Grant had positioned the camera down the left corridor facing the intersection in question in the direction the person seemed to come from. If the camera had been set up there we might have seen the person creep up the hallway, peek around the corner and creep back, but it was relatively clear that Grant never really intended to treat this as if trying to catch a hoaxster.
Sadly, this FLIR footage appears to be the primary basis for Jason feeling comfortable announcing he thinks the place is haunted. Lee seemed to jump on board rather quickly, praising the fact that the first piece of thermal footage wasn't enough for TAPS and that they were thorough enough to capture a second piece of corroborating physical evidence before making their decision. Maybe I'm missing a key fact, such as: is that place the person came from a dead end? Would they have to walk past the thermal camera to get down there? If not, I don't know why there seems to be no question of a possible hoaxer.
What did you guys think?
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Comments on GH: Fort Delaware »
J. @ 12:20 am
I agree with your impression of the thermal footage Logisti; it probably is a person.
If it looks like a human, walks like a human, and acts like a human.. then it probably is a human.
And that leaves us with the sad and disappointing conclusions that either one of the crew perpetrated a hoax or one of the people from the fort pulled a prank on TAPS. Hopefully that's not the case, but what else is there?
It's like a FLIR version of the Eastern State Penitentiary and Moon River Brewery "apparition." But instead of running, now it's walking slow. It also lost the sheet it had draped over it.
The bang was interesting since it was so loud, and it'd truly be nice evidence if they couldn't find a natural source that caused it. But it makes you wonder how thorough they were in their attempt to find the source.
Like you said, L, it's sad that they came to the conclusion that the fort is haunted based on the thermal footage.
On the flip side, it was nice to see Kris "graduate" to become a full investigator and it was nice to see Mark finally get to join the team on an investigation.
June @ 12:51 am
Usually when the FLIR shows something, our ghost hunters head forward to see whether there is another way out from their own way in. Why didn't they do that this time? As Logisti wonders, is there a dead end? Given the lack of on-camera investigation of that possible dead-end (or not), I can't give any credence whatsoever to the FLIR image. And hey, it looks absolutely human.
My other "complaint," if you will, has to do with the EVPs. I could not hear anything clearly. Okay, maybe that's me–I've been next to way-too many amps at way-too many concerts, and yes, I have resulting hearing loss. I might not be the only one–the fellow who introduced TAPS to the building, and who was present at the reveal (I'm sorry, I don't remember his name), looked rather at a loss when it came to figuring out what was being said in these EVPs.
Even so, I enjoyed the episode and I appreciated the investigation. What a great building this is, esp. for people (like me) who are interested in Civil War history.
Lar @ 5:22 am
I researched this fort. The FLIR captured a ghost called Peek a BOO! I was waiting for someone from TAPS to use that line, or maybe, it's a friendly haunt just playing Peek a BOO!
Someone was somewhere they didn't belong, sneaking around, maybe trying to pull a prank, & thought they could sneak out without being caught, thus the Peek a BOO!
Does GH compare footage or evp's with sci fi cameras? You can't tell me a $125.00 digital voice recorder captures evp's when in the same room a digital broadcast camera with sensitive external mic.'s worth 10's of 1000's more doesn't.
I wonder what the differences are in what GH obtains & Sci Fi does or does NOT.
Jef @ 7:18 am
I was thoroughly unimpressed with just about everything in this episode. The "kitchen" EVP was a stretch and the FLIR footage just made me roll my eyes. Especially after seeing the head peek into the frame. That's when I got up and left (in retrospect I guess that didn't save me much time since it was so close to the end of the episode, but still).
Another place with seemingly great potential and they come away with bupkis for convincing evidence.
CrowTRobot @ 7:28 am
The sound in the kitchen: I actually thought the piece of wood on the drum sounded quite similar to what they heard. However, it would not have been loud enough to be heard, apparently, outside as well.
The FLIR footage: I just don't know how that could be anything but a person. And didn't J&G say this area was NOT one of the hotspots? If so, there may have been staff in that area assuming TAPS wasn't going to investigate there. The head peaking around the corner may have been someone seeing if J&G was still there. Perhaps a bit far-fetched, but no more than the alternative.
Kris' promotion: Seems all that badass provoking last week paid off. I guess I'm going to have to do what I should have done from the beginning - get over it and move on.
And I agree about the cliquey part. I've always wondered why J&G didn't split up and team with the others from time to time.
Wes @ 8:04 am
I second Crow's scenario of the FLIR footage - I took it as someone - Fort Staff, a security guard, A TAPS member looking for the bathroom, the guy driving the boat - looking around and then upon seeing J&G and knowing they were supposed to stay out of their way, leaving, only to come back later and take a peek to see if they were still there. For that matter, we don't know if the "peaking head" was the same person/ghost as the earlier body.
The explanation that "everyone was accounted for" at those exact moments is - at best - weak. And if that's "evidence" of a true, real-life haunting, I'd hope for some analysis of the figure to see how tall it was, if the general dimensions fit with anyone on the island at the time, if the heat signature was consistent with a person, etc., etc.
The EVPs to me were the usual garble of noise that only remotely sounded like what TAPS decided they were saying …
At least it was a neat location … and Kris Williams can now update her resume to take the "in-training" off - the ghost hunting profession is very hard to advance in if you don't have at least a year of full-fledged investigator experience
jack @ 9:12 am
The flir footage had me thinking 'person' too. But there were some things that gave me pause. I didn't see any footprints. Usually the thing seems to pick up the residual heat from footprints. And the peeking head–what was it peeking at in near toal darkness? Checking to see if they were still there, okay, but upon not seeing them(providing, of course, that they had some way to see in the dark)–had it been a hoaxer, wouldn't they have come out?
In the end what it boils down to is that we have to take J&Gs word that there was no one who could have been there.
The EVPs. I thought the 'show some respect around here' EVP was pretty clear–any non-clrity stems from the fact that it's under other talking. The kitchen one sounded more like '–something– in the kitchen'. And that first one, near the stairs that the guy fell down was debunked
Again I'm left to wonder why they don't suggest CCTV setups in hot spots. Something maintaining a 24/7 observation.
Logisti @ 10:12 am
Lar, actually it's true. EVP believers and skeptics alike agree on one thing: Better recorders result in fewer EVPs.
The skeptics will point out that the better recorders eliminate a lot of the EM interference and filter out other external phenomena usually associated with EVPs. The EVP enthusiasts will say that spirits need that interference and irregularity in order to manipulate the recording device and convey their messages. Either way, for EVP cheaper recording devices = more EVPs.
wwayneross @ 10:59 am
With a full hour ( actually 40 mins) devoted to this episode, I would have hoped that they would have tried to re-create the FLIR figure. There was no mention of doors or exits in the tunnels when they chased the figure down the hall, however it looked like there were several doors leading to more tunnels.
One questions is, were all the lights off in the tunnel? If so, I would imagine that even staff who are very familiar with the tunnels would need a flashlight and there was no evidence of one being used by the figure, and a person in the dark would not be walking so comfortably, so that gives me a little pause.
CrowTRobot @ 3:35 pm
Thanks Jack. I forgot about the "Show some respect around here" EVP. I had to laugh, then smirk, at that one. Kris and Joe fumbling around laughing at who knows what…Yea. If you really believe in what you're doing, you SHOULD show some respect.
Man. When you can't outthink a corpse…
blinddog50 @ 4:50 pm
C'mon guys, for a ghostie to generate that much heat on the FLIR it would have to be toting a DieHard battery to draw from.
They needed a hook for the…wait for it…wait for it…MID-SEASON GRAND FINALE!
I mean if you could actually have the proof that they claim they have with this FLIR picture.
You would be on national news programs hyping your show.
Remember recently the "Blue Ghost" sighting that was all over the news that turned out to be a bug on the camera lens.
Well this certainly tops that!
Another thing that puzzles me.
Take the sightings and EVPS in the kitchen.
Why is it that a ghost that you can't see can speak and leave a message on a recorder.
But a ghost that you can see(the lady that lifted the lid on a pot)never says anything.
Please enlighten me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a believer.
Just with Joe and Kris, Steve and Tango and the guest spook chaser of the week this show has become a ship of fools led by the Skipper and Gilligan.
And they are begining to insult our intelligence.
numyer @ 5:25 pm
Interesting location. I just think the FLIR looks and acts too human. coming into the hallway and then quickly going back, then peeking around the corner as mentioned to "see if they are still there". I know they ran down there and said they checked everything, but they are new to the place (just like everyplace they first visit) and can't possibly know all the ins and outs of it.
Cool location though, but I often wonder if its really possible to know what all the noises, shadows, etc. really are in these huge places. But still it seems like a place they should return someday and have another go at it.
The producers should really stop using Steve jumping at spiders as clips in commercials for upcoming episodes, everytime I see him doing that, in the show it turns out to be a spider. Also seemed to be big hype in the promotional about them "being hunted by the ghosts" - uh did I miss something? When did all that happen? Well thats TV for you.
meme @ 9:14 pm
First of all you do realize that most likely they are not always paired up like they are shown…I watched an interview with Jason and Grant and they told when asked why didn't they ever investigate with anyone aside from each other that they did and that scifi never shows it.
Second about the thermal hit…the heat signature appeared to me to be coming out of the floor in a way…it didn't look like it just walked up.
Next, I like the fact that they show the clips of Steve and Tango freaking out over spiders, it keeps them as being normal people. In my eyes they are awesome people and great investigators.
Just so you know Mark is not gonna be a regular cast member. That was not the deal he was just gonna get to go on a case with them and that is what he did.
Lastly, the evp that said something and then kitchen sounded to me like "This is my kitchen".
Derek @ 10:30 pm
New to posting but have been reading these posts all along. I wish they told you how long they investigate these places. this is such a big place did they really do it in a night? There is a lot of fluff in episodes where they could show more hunting. Most of the time they tell us in the "findings" what they tell us in the "reveal". How do you get to be an investigator-in-training? I can understand Kris's appeal but Joe? How does he get involved? He appears to be a clown. The thermal image was pretty amazing if it's accurate. They may have done some testing or spent more time trying to debunk it but it may not have been shown. I wanted to see more around this, it should have been the centerpiece of the show. I want to believe, prove it to me.
Did anyone find it funny that Grant seemed to be an expert on pulling cords on lamps?
Brandon @ 3:44 am
Here are my thoughts on this episode.
1. My favorite quote of the night was from Steve: “One thing I am really excited about is thousands of people died here.”
2. I won’t even go into FLIR image they caught wondering around, other than to say that it was obviously a real person.
3. The lamp-throwing incident really bothered me. Chris Polo, the eyewitness, stated that she was sitting for 5 minutes when “..all of a sudden there was a crash right next to me.” She doesn’t mention anything about seeing it being thrown at her or about it “flying at her” (as Grant states). But he quickly determines that she kicked the cord and that’s the end of it.
4. I hate the K2 meter. I mean come on, how can you really trust any device like that. If it is inaccurate one time, why would you ever use it again? How can you ever be sure that the “answers” you are getting are paranormal?
5. Something I’ve been wondering about finally came up during this investigation. Why does TAPS only investigate at night? Every example that was given in the walkthrough took place during the day. The soldier walking down the hall, the cleaning woman, the woman in the kitchen cooking, and the woman holding the door closed were all during the day. If you honestly believe that these haunting are residual, wouldn’t they take place during the day when these real people were actually awake?
6. Finally, the most interesting part of the show for me was the loud noise that apparently rang through the entire complex. The idea that it was the sound from a cannon firing is just silly, unless, as Jay states, it is a residual cannon sound. And here I didn’t even know cannons could be haunted. Now, to me, it definitely sounded like a drum was hit, which was justified by the metal bin outside the room. Grant tries to drop a small piece of wood on it, but it isn’t quite loud enough. The interesting thing is that there is one much bigger piece of wood lying on the floor when Grant and Jay enter the room. Watch 8:10 into the 3rd part of the episode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1FG8gLZGAU&feature=related
and you will see Jay kicking a piece of wood that they never addressed. Could this wood have fallen onto the bin? What is Jay trying to do with the wood on the ground? What would that piece of wood sound like dropped a bit higher in the air? Could someone have hit the bin loud enough to make that sound? With the simple act of dropping a small piece of wood a few inches above the bin, Jay just dismisses it as the source of the sound and Grant claims that “we couldn’t figure out what could have done that.” Only the best from the TAPS crew once again.
Logisti @ 11:01 am
Brandon, good eye! Yes, there was a piece of wood on the ground to the left of the metal drum, so if you think Grant's whack on the metal drum had the audio characteristics of the BANG heard in the kitchen then there is corroborating circumstantial evidence that a piece of wood may indeed have fallen onto the drum at some point before Jason & Grant arrived on-scene.
Dixie @ 2:05 pm
This show is getting sillier and sillier….is sillier even a word?
J. @ 3:41 pm
meme: I just reviewed the recording and the figure that showed up on thermal does look like it just walked up. It doesn't look like it came out of the floor like you said.
As for the bang, it doesn't sound like a piece of wood being hit against the drum where Grant and Jay were in the kitchen. That may be due to some acoustical effect.
Also, part of the banging sound is covered up by the bleeping of Jay's naughty word that he uttered when the sound surprised him.
But if you listen to the recording that was made while Joe and Mark were in the courtyard, it does sound like a big/thick piece of wood being hit hard against the drum.
And the piece of wood that Brandon mentioned, the one Jay is nudging with his foot, is off the pile where the rest of the wood is and is on the other side (left side) of the drum laying on the ground by itself.
I don't know if merely dropping said piece of wood onto the drum would be loud enough to produce the sound caught, or if it'd require someone picking up the log and banging it against the drum to make the sound as loud as it was.
Maybe the same prankster that showed up on the thermal cam whacked that piece of wood against the drum and then ran off.
Logisti @ 4:21 pm
J, maybe. Also, good point about the difference in perspective on that BANG. The audio by Jason didn't sound like the metal drum to me, but he was also inside. When they played the other audio from Joe's outside perspective later it actually *did* sound similar to that drum, though.
I'm just shaking my head right now thinking about the evidence of this case:
1) TAPS recorded a couple of EVPs but they aren't terribly impressive and in the past TAPS wouldn't call a place haunted even if they got a few really impressive EVPs unless there was additional evidence.
2) A loud sound was heard, but there is a significant chance it was the piece of wood we saw on the floor next to the drum caused that sound. Even if that isn't the case, it isn't necessarily paranormal.
3) If that FLIR footage was captured anywhere else by anyone else there would be no question that it was a living, breathing person — even if we didn't know who.
The only reasons we're given to doubt the obvious (non-paranormal) conclusion are that:
— 3a) They couldn't find anyone (even though they walked slowly, announced their positions and called out loudly to each other where they were going next)
— 3b) Everyone was accounted for (but no explanation for how he could possibly know for certain where everyone was at any given time, and clearly he is excluding For Staff from that accounting)
— 3c) It would be too difficult for someone to sneak into that area (that sounds remarkably like "it was not impossible for someone to sneak in there")
…and yet, with this handful of instantly discredited evidence they proclaimed the place haunted, a title formerly reserved for cases that defied all attempts to debunk them (as opposed to cases that are extraordinarily easy to debunk).
As I said earlier, there was a precise moment when I knew all was not well, and it was right after the brief moment I really thought they were handling things exactly right: First Grant sees the footage and tells Jason there must be someone down there with them, messing around, and then moments later — as he's supposed to be tracking down a hoaxster — he's checking his K2 meter for EM spikes and vocalizing all the information a would-be hoaxer could possibly need to avoid being caught.
Frankly, the only explanations I have are either they were in collusion with the hoaxer or else they have an overriding belief in the supernatural so strong that they subconsciously sabotaged their own efforts because they didn't really want to find out the truth, they just wanted to believe.
Either way, it does not bode well for those of us who watch the show hoping to see something resembling objective science.
kevin @ 5:46 pm
I want to ask about something Jack brought up. Wouldn't heat left by footprints show up on the FLIR and did Grant or Jay even attempt to check? If it was a person they could have followed the footprints to wherever he or she was hiding.
Logisti @ 6:08 pm
Grant specifically said he checked and didn't see any, however this is another bogus argument because heat on a stone/concrete floor going to dissipate very quickly and most rubber-soled shoes or sneakers going to transmit very little heat to begin with. The guy would have to have stood in one place long enough to leave a heat signature, and then they'd have to check that spot very quickly before the heat signature vanished.
kevin @ 7:22 pm
Thanks Logisti. Brandon asked why TAPS only investigates at night, even when most of the supposed paranormal activity is experienced during the day. I've never heard a decent answer to that question, and it's been asked a lot on this website. I think it has a lot to do with the influence of folklore and horror literature. You know: "I dare you to spend the night in this haunted house."
Jason and Grant were talking about the historian's reaction to their findings during the reveal and Jason commented that he bets the guy doesn't stay in the prison after sundown anymore. There must be some theory out there about night-time investigations and hauntings.
Oubliette @ 1:28 am
Great review of the show. Very professionally written.
My take on the biggest event of the investigation-the figure on the FLIR-is in agreement with those who think it was a human. I see someone also noticed it looked like it had its hand in pockets. I thought it got up almost from a crouch and then purposely stood out in a way that he/she/it would be sure to be noticed. Ditto for the sticking the head and shoulders out when the camera was later set up. Also, I thought I saw a door or something as Grant reached the end of the hall. Conclusion: somebody playing a hoax or prank.
I thought the EVPs were poor and that they didn't say what TAPS thought they did. The first one-kitchen-I don't even think was a voice but rather a random noise that our brains are trying to make into a voice.
Funny, but the remark about less sophisticated recorders picking up better EVPs reminds me of some show I saw a few years back. An investigator, speaking from today's perspective of EVP work he did back in the '80s, stated that through all these years the old reel to reel recorders actually did the best job in picking up good EVPs. Makes you wonder if older is better, in this case.
Frankly, I wouldn't have labeled this place as haunted based on what evidence was gathered. The boom might have been anything inside the building, perhaps with the aid of the possible hoaxer. It was funny to see big brave Jason actually get startled, proving that he is indeed human.
BTW, I remember one episode of GHI where it appeared that a person was outside a castle window, and Rob immediately called out a "team members, give your position" call to determine if it could have been one of them. That type of roll call should be used more often.
Frankly, I was kind of bored by this episode. For some reason I expected more out of it. Oh well, onward and hopefully upward.
Oubliette @ 8:03 am
An example of how different people can see different things and just how much expectations can color perception:
On the "other" board, someone is pretty sure that the now infamous figure is the spirit of a marching soldier. The poster claims that it moves like a military figure on parade. The proof:
1. The figure appeared to be physically fit. Now, for the life of me I can't see how someone can figure that out from the image. I just saw a regular person with no real outstanding features.
2. The figure had an "understanding of military training" because it turned precisely on its heel just like the guards at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier. (!)
3. There is also mention made of the fluid movement of the legs, supporting suppostion #2.
To me this is a lot to garner from just seconds of what IMO looks like a person who makes an appearance (maybe someone who suddenly realized he shouldn't have been there) and then quickly goes away. Ditto for sticking the head and shoulders out as shown on the camera on the tripod. (Is it safe to come out again kind of situation)
I agree with Meme about it rising from the floor, but it seemed to have risen from a crouching position rather then just suddenly appearing.
I learn towards the image being a solid living human, but keep the door open a bit for other explanations.
About the above soldier ideas, I'm not trying to make fun of the poster but just using this as an example of how much our minds can see something that maybe we expect to be there.
Any thoughts on this person's theory?
kevin @ 8:35 am
I think some people see what they want to see. They want something to be paranormal so they come up with explanations to fit their preconception. Somebody on one of the forums did the same thing with the Eastern State "apparition". The reason this person gave for the sheet was that there was once a fire in the prison and this was the ghost of a prisoner using the sheet to protect himself from the flames.
CrowTRobot @ 10:26 am
Just watched the FLIR again. It looks like the figure, as it's looking down the hallway, sees J&G and kind of ducks its head a bit (you can almost imagine him/her saying "Oops"), then moves back behind the wall. Just nothing paranormal to me.
J. @ 1:40 pm
On the FLIR footage, I think what people are mistaking for a crouching motion is actually the person's left leg, from the knee down, coming into view first, then the rest of his/her body walks into view. Watch it in slow motion and see if you agree.
Oubliette: As for that person's theory, it amazes me how different people can see the exact same thing and then come up with completely different opinions on what it was. Kevin nailed it on the head: people see what they want to see based on what they believe or don't believe. If you believe in ghosts, then there's no doubt it's a ghost. If you're a skeptic, then it's obviously a human.
These two diametrically opposed conclusions for the same event are an example of the gap between skeptics and believers.
To this theory let's apply Occam's razor, which states: when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle (Occam's razor) recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities.
The conclusion we're left with is the one that doesn't invoke an unproven entity (a ghost): it's a living human in the FLIR footage.
Logisti @ 2:30 pm
Funny, when I see an opinion like that, specifically the detail about the "about-face", part of me thinks, "How does that prove it's not an actual living person playing a hoax?" and another part of me thinks — assuming the most likely explanation that it *is* a hoax, which isn't proven but I think a fair assumption if forced to make one — maybe the guy who actually did the hoax is online planting seeds.
I mean, if it were me and I did a bunch of subtle military stuff to make it seem more realistic, I'd be on the forums with a brand new account asking people, "Did you notice that he did this or that? Makes it seem really authentic, huh?"
File that away under stupid theory, slightly to the left of the theory that the footage shows the real ghost of a dead civil war soldier.
Stephen @ 5:44 pm
I think I'm going to have to add "thermal images of people dodging out of the hallway you're in" to my List of Things that Don't Impress Stephen.
Maybe it's a hoax. Alternatively, maybe someone just walked into the hallway, was going to turn left, and thought, "Crap! Those plumbers are down there!", and turned around. Then, later, thought "Are they gone?" and peeked around the corner.
It's not evidence of the paranormal, and there's nothing to analyze about it. If the lights were on, and they saw a person walk in and out of the hallway in front of them, would that be paranormal?
Logisti @ 6:05 pm
Apparently if he was physically fit and did a military-style about-face, some people would say, Yes.
I'm just trying to envision the ghost of a confederate soldier peeking around the corner like that. It evokes memories of Scooby-Doo episodes.
…and we would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids… who gave the strong suggestion I was a real ghost and then labeled the place haunted in front of a national audience. Oh, wait! I *did* get away with it.
Patrick @ 10:37 am
This episode brings up an issue I've thought about some. Has there ever been any discussion or show where TAPS shows what efforts they take to secure an area, or determine if it's free from people before the investigation begins? Shouldn't there be some walk-through, and not just the setting up of equipment, before lights out? This site had to be accessed by boat, so either the hoaxer was there already (employee that didn't go home and knew TAPS was coming?), or came in by boat during the investigation unnoticed. I doubt the latter.
So anyway, why don't they ever do some coverage of the efforts to secure a site? The FLIR image just seemed to be so obviously a person, and one who later was checking if the "coast was clear" that it wasn't even remotely interesting. With all the camera crews and production teams around them, with equipment that has power lights and such, it should be easy to see/hear in the dark. There had to be something illuminated on the FLIR on the tripod to keep the person in hiding.
Oubliette @ 10:47 am
I think they don't show how they secure a site (of course, assuming they do) simply because the show is so heavily edited as it is. Many viewers are not interested in technicalites but want to get to the "meat" of an investigation ASAP. Perhaps the editors fear it would bore an audience.
You make a good point but we see a heavily edited show as it is. Although I too would be interested in how they do secure a location, the above reasons probably apply as to why we don't get to see this and a lot of other stuff.
Wes @ 10:48 am
Quick question … wouldn't a soldier "on parade" be shouldering a rifle? … maybe the big boom was caused by another ghost shooting our FLIR ghost's missing rifle!
Robbin @ 8:13 pm
Hi there it has been a while since I posted but have enjoyed reading all the comments. I don't know about you all but I am very tired of the show this season. Each week it is EVP's that are very difficult to understand and footsteps. What is with the footsteps?
This week the FLIR footage was laughable. For me a believer and fan of this show to sit back and go you have got to be kidding me, tells you something. And the something is not good. Again they find a place that is open to the public haunted on very marginal evidence.
Why didn't Jay pick up that big log he was kicking around and bang it on the pot? Well I think we all know it would recreate the loud bang they heard. Although that was funny to see Jay startled like that.
I know that Steve is a goof but I like him and Tango together. They are bringing a little laugh to an otherwise dull season.
Bring on GHI and Brian annoying the crap out of humans and non-humans alike.
Oubliette @ 7:04 am
Hi, I both agree and disagree with some of your post, but that's why this website exists. We can discuss and debate without hitting each other over the head!
I too find this season lacking in many ways. The best part are the places they go to–esp. the Forts. It is just plain interesting to see these historical places and hear the many stories associated with them.
The EVPs also have not been of the quality they used to get and I think they are stretching in their interpretations of most of the sounds.
That FLIR image just looked oh so human. Apparently, considerng their reactions, they must have thought so too and didn't make a big deal out of it. Since the Manson episode, their FLIR images have almost become a joke. Does anyone know if Jay and Grant received any formal training by the manufacturer of the FLIR equipment? If not, they really need to get some under their collective belts.
IMO, Steve and Tango have been put together as some kind of comic relief team. They are funny together, I'll give you that.
The most cotroversial evidence–the loud noise. Here's why I think they MAY have picked up something residual. On various boards, some reanactors have said that the sound was cannon fire. The guy at Fort Delaware thought so too. Now, no one fired a cannon during the investigation, and to reproduce the sound so loudly there would have had to be giant speakers around the place. Here's a good comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gVZk1EgBuc
Gettysburg has become known for the sound of phantom cannon fire. So who knows?
All in all, I can't wait for GHI either. Smarter, more sophisticated investigations (my hubby calls it "The Thinking Man's Ghost Hunters) and locations that will knock your socks off!
numyer @ 7:18 pm
I agree they have gone some interesting places this season. I don't know if its lacking or I am just getting a little tired of it. Although I do catch old shows and find some interest in those, so maybe this season is a little lacking, hard for me to say.
As for GHI, I am not one of those looking forward to it at all, by the end of their last exploits I just wished they all would investigate the Bermuda Triangle. But I read people enjoyed GHI, so I know many certainly don't feel like I do.
CrowTRobot @ 8:17 pm
numyer, I'm with you on GHI - I thought the first season was terribly disappointing; so I'm surprised to read so many seemed to enjoy it and are looking forward to this season. I will, nevertheless, be watching as well - if only so when I come here, I'll know what everyone is talking about.
numyer @ 9:13 pm
CrowTRobot - Yes I will probably end up watching too, for the same reason. Hopefully there will be improvement, but I have my doubts they sent them off to Europe too many times so this is probably more of the same trip, different locations.
blinddog50 @ 3:26 pm
I have a question that maybe brighter minds can answer for me.
Now that Kris a full fledged investigator there is something that I have noticed that was missing in her training.
She is always at the sites to do her walking around and being on the look out for the ghosties.
But you never see her doing the crap work back at the hotel/motel going over the dvr, tapes, audio and such.
Steve, Dave, Dustin, Andy or Brian get stuck with that tedium.
But she always shows up with J&G when the work is done.
Why is that?
Enlighten me please.
Oubliette @ 6:28 pm
Excellent observation about Kris.
IMO she is there for "eye candy". I can remember when her original website and MySpace were up. Among the people she listed that she "wanted to meet" were Jason and Grant from GH". Um…she was supposed to have known them for years. That bit soon disappeared from her page. In fact, it was totally revamped to reflect the image that GH wanted her to. This is just my own guess, but I'm far from the first one to notice this. Nothing wrong here, just TV production as usual.
Also, she was already a member of SciFi's stable of actors, so to speak, having been in one of their AWFUL movies, though the title escapes me.
IMO she has not shown any real enthusiasm for the field except on rare occasions. And if she is sitting shifting through the hours and hours of recorded material, viewers get less of a chance to enjoy her eye candy aspect!
Just my thoughts.
13pranks @ 7:09 pm
Having produced a lot of TV spots and corporate films, I am familiar with the dreaded and unforgivable act of Walking Into The Shot. When one is unintentionally In The Shot, the camera lens becomes like sunlight to a vampire. One recoils in terror and slinks out of frame, praying the DP did not see it and is about to fire one from one's first gig out of film school. Obviously, the FLIR caught someone committing this sin, and my guess is that this accidental ghost may be now working the drive-through at the local Dairy Queen.
numyer @ 7:38 pm
Interesting about Kris and the MySpace comment. J&G mentioned on the show as posted above that "they had known her for a long time" and I was thinking how would they have known her for so long and where from? Seems if she was part of the ghost hunting scene she would have all ready came in with some training.
But yes after all this is Television