1)The K2 meter: Has it ever NOT responded? I trust it less than Grant. 2)The only good thing about pairing Kris and Joe as a team is that it provides an opportunity to run to the kitchen. 3)I was a bit concerned when I saw that Tango's dad was going to be in on the investigation; but there were no sappy father/son moments, and I thought he actually did a pretty good job.

When I get a chance, I'm going to start a topic in the Forum section regarding 'provoking'. I know what TAPS claims, but I'm not sure I buy it……and I'm not just talking about Kris' embarrassing "I'm going to get all hard core with a dead person and call him a loser" or "Your house is a mess. Death's no excuse - get a broom and clean it up." moments.

CrowTRobot - I completely agree with you with this KII meter bs. It looks like something pulled from the shelter in T3. It's ridiculous, just like those metal rods one of the chickies used to use a few seasons ago. Oh, and I'm waiting in earnest for your posting about "provoking." I've got some things to say about that too! (Like when Kris was talking to the "dead prostitutes" about how she knew what it was like to be treated poorly by a dude… get real)

This case was a bit more interesting than the Red Mill (did you notice how many times they kept saying the name? Publicity much?). I do like seeing average people - meaning those who are not normally paranormal investigators - having experiences. I think Dave Tango's dad is less likely to fake hearing a noise, etc. I also don't think Dave Tango would actually go so far as to pull a Grant (you guys know what I mean, right?). In fact, Tango and Steve are my faves because not much happens around them, so when something does, I'm more apt to buy it. And it's completely endearing that Steve is terrified of spiders…

Anyhoo, I thought the EVP said "Yes." My husband says he hears "no" like the investigators do. Kudos to Mr. Tango for even suggesting asking "are you afraid of us?" That's a great question. I hope they adopt that one for EVP work.

But that one piece of evidence does not convince me this place is haunted. It's one word, one syllable. It could have been a basement sound, or even Grant sneaking downstairs to answer (see how much I trust that guy?!). I did like that it was Mr. Tango who had the experience but I need something more.

Bottom Line: next episode is the mid-season finale (whatever that means, I thought they already had that) and I hope it's not as lame as these last few ones…

I thought the EVP sounded like something/someone giggling. I couldn't make out any words. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, though, because I had my AC on and it's hard enough to hear Ghosthunters…

This show is going downhill fast. A lot of good points have already been brought up on this particular evening's entertainment.

This is not the first time that I have wondered why the powers that be have made Kris and Joe a part of the GH team. Kris Williams has shown very little enthusiasm for anything paranormal and has made what amounts to some of the most stupid remarks ever made since GH first aired.

Her provoking is downright silly. (Yes, a provoking thread would be quite interesting). When she called whomever-they switched from the little boy to the man who supposedly murdered him, as Crow here has pointed out-a "loser", it actualy made me ashamed. One would have to doubt if someone from another century would even know what she was referring to. It is modern "lingo". A loser was someone who lost at cards, or a fight, or whatever. Modern usage means a "jerk" when used in the context she used it in. This meaning would have escaped whomever they were trying to reach. Also that bit about cleaning up and the broom would be laughable if it weren't so idiotic.

Joe Chin is just as bad. Where do they find these people? When he and Kris get together they act like too mischievous kids who have little serious interest in what they are doing. Both of them should be dumped for more serious investigators with a bit more brains and interest in the field. (I believe it was on the SciFi forum or TAPS 18+ board a while ago that someone complained TAPS was composed mainly of white guys. I myself find nothing wrong with that. But perhaps someone in charge thought they would toss in a "minority" member for good measure. Couldn't they have found someone more experienced and mature?)

I respectfully disagree with people who are hearing what Jason and Grant claim to hear on a lot of the EVPs they are picking up this go round. Personally, I find most to be unintelligible. I think they are pushing it, trying to convince others of what is being heard. Previously I did not find this to be the case.

The footsteps were the best part of the investigation. But the rest was pretty lame. Once again, something physical happens to Grant-in this case his ear gets flicked-and nothing is caught on camera. So we have only his word which, after reading of all the doubt revolving around him, one has to take it with a grain of salt.

I personally liked the moments between Tango and his father. That was a nice touch. It is obvious they have a great relationship.

Finally, I have some real concerns with the current state of affairs this season. After claiming that the K-2 meter was not all that great (following the big ruckus over the Manson episode), now they are using it like crazy. What gives? I believe it may have been in his MySpace blog last year where Jason claimed it was less then satisfactory as a tool. Do they have stock in the company or were they told to push it?

Also, I'm finding it harder to believe in the truth of their evidence. There are so many hard working groups out there who go for months on end picking up little. Yet TAPS seems to find at least a couple of things on each show. Most Paranormal investigating teams would give their eyeteeth for the amount of "evidence" GH is picking up on one or two investigations.

But I guess I have to remember that this is a TV show, and if nothing happens for weeks on end, nobody is going to watch. GH started out with a bang and now is down to a whimper, IMO. Most of their best investigators are gone, replaced by childish amateurs like Kris and Joe. How the mighty have fallen….You may ask why I still watch. I'm still interested in paranormal investigating and the places they go to are what I want to see. Most of their findings I now take with a grain of salt.

Plus you never know what silliness is going to come out of Kris and/or Joe. Guess they are the comedic aspect of the show.

Or maybe I'm just in a bad mood today…

TAPS picks up evidence in most shows–but not in most investigations. We only see the ones that the producers and editors feel are tv-worthy. We never see most investigations.

Actually, that's not entirely true. As we learned from Aimee Medeiros during the discussion of TAPS' Medeiros House Investigation TAPS sometimes visits a location multiple times, but the initial investigations don't involve the production crew.

So, while it definitely appears to be true that TAPS does investigations that do not become episodes, we've never seen any evidence that TAPS records investigations that don't become episodes. As far as we know, every single time Pilgrim sends their production crew to a site with TAPS, that investigation is broadcast as part of an episode.

toss the KII meter. Kris' butt helps ratings, i don't mind her one bit. none of the current cast other than J&G have done anything (to my knowledge/memory/view) that would make me believe they aren't being 100% truthful. J&G have a tough balancing act to perform… catch nothing, say nothing is haunted, disprove too much and your show and cashflow go down the drain. i think they do a pretty darn good job to be plumbers in the national spotlight having little to no control (just guessing) over what really gets aired as the final cut. they will never please everybody, the skeptics, the fans that believe everything, nonbelievers, etc. kudos to them for a great show overall! can't wait for the next big evidence capture!

Oubliette — i was just saying the same thing somewhere else. Kris is the eye candy but other than that … many of us hated brian but least he was into the investigations. same with Andy and Dustin. but alas, something or someone had to wear on them. funny how andy left the show but when GHI came on, he wantged to be a part of it. i know these people have their lives, but with both Andy and Donna 1st leaving GH then agreeing to do GHI, kinda makes you wonder.

I read Donna left GH cos she wanted to work on other things in her life plus didnt want to travel much yet GHI takes her around the world. And Andy's 1st child was born while he did GHI so……

Donna had problems with the producers of GH wanting her to do/say something she did not want to do…per a blog of hers a year or so ago. So that is why she SAYS she left GH. However, she did at that time go into some paranormal "thing" with Brian H. Then GHI.

My question…if she had problems with the producers over something at GH…she magically is okay with doing GHI? I guess everyone has a right to change their mind??? A lot goes on behind the scenes personality wise and motivation wise that is not made public.

I do believe there is more pressure on J & G to find evidence than there used to be…now that the show is more visible. They could go back to being plumbers….but would you want to? I'm not saying they are faking anything. Grant is a very spiritual, moral person if you know him, and I don't believe would lie. But I do think they "find" things that COULD be called some kind of evidence and then push it that it is….

I don't really see a discrepancy between Donna's alleged disagreement with the GH producers and then going over to GHI. Even if it's the same production company, very likely she's working with different producers.

Also, there is the question of contractual obligation. The producers of GH may have (this is entirely speculative) pointed out she signed a contract with a clause that states she is required to do whatever it is the producers were asking, and she may have quit as her only ethical recourse. Then, when she was approached for GHI maybe she made sure that clause was removed from her contract before she agreed to sign on.

My comments do not entirely relate to the episode being discussed- please forgive. I'm a bit confused at the notion that Grant alone somehow is suspected of trickery so often on the site, with most of the others recieving high marks on credibility. He and Jason are tight and they investigate side by side 9 times out of 10. If Jason's perceptions are respected, along with his debunking ability, how is it that he could be so totally unaware of these alleged hoaxings and or Grants character and motivations? Any hoaxing at all would seem reason enough to doubt the show in its entirety and to stop watching. I too am interested in the ultimate reality of what occurs on the show, but as interesting as all of this discussion is, it must be admitted to be merely mental masturbation given that none of us is there to have any real information. I feel the grounds for these accusations are on shaky enough ground that public accusation is premature. P.S. I live in Port Angeles, WA. If somebody has info on serious minded ghost hunting groups in my location I'd love to hear from you. Thank you for this site.

I guess you are referring to "The Moving Lamp Cord" thread near the top of the page on the right hand side, as well as some other incidents. If a photo is worth a thousand words–well, it's very hard to explain just why Grant has moved so close to the table, the lamp cord was moved and many of us feel he is holding onto it with his left hand in order to make the lamp move. That's just one example, but we have discussed the fact that Grant seems to be around when other questionable evidence has occured. Perhaps the others may not be capable of pulling off something, and thus don't even try.

I respect your viewpoint and also have posted the question as to whether Jason knows, suspects or is a part of what may be faked evidence. We don't get to see all the interactions between the two; only what is shown on camera. This is a question that none of us can really answer.

A lot of us keep watching the show for our own personal reasons in spite of the fact that some do harbor doubt as to the authenticity of evidence. I have watched from Day 1 and have noticed some changes, and not for the better.

Perhaps Jason is in denial. It would hurt me if my best friend is causing me to have some doubts, and perhaps he does not want to see. Since the show is so popular, there is intense pressure for them to "produce".

Brian, you answered your own question when you said, "I feel the grounds for these accusations are on shaky enough ground that public accusation is premature."

We haven't even proven that our suspicions about Grant hoaxing are correct, I think it would be grossly irresponsible to start passing judgment on Jason and others for their suspected involvement or complicity in something we don't even know really exists.

It's as if, even though we haven't yet proven a crime even took place, we're still expected to start convicting supposed conspirators in the court of public opinion. That's just not a fair way to approach this.

My issue with this was that they put Joe and Kris together, and they're both "in training." Then they egg each other on to do stupid things like call the "spirit" a loser. She's such a joke. I would think they'd want to put their "in training" people with the experienced investigators, so they could actually learn something. Just annoying.

Anjie, at times it seems this show is getting away from ghost hunting and leaning more towards entertainment. We get the embarrassingly bad pairing of Kris and Joe so we can look at Kris and her butt without being distracted by any actual ghost hunting. Joe is there………I don't know why Joe is there, but you certainly don't want to look at him so you look at Kris' butt some more. Steve and Tango, which should be a good pairing, seem to have allocated to them a certain amount of time each week to fool around (Steve trying to get Tango to crawl under a porch, eat a bug, scare him, whatever….).

It's kind of disappointing. But let's face it: when somebody's DAD can come on the show and do as well, if not better, than the regulars…..something's wrong.

As someone once said (I don't know who, but certainly someone said this … ) it's all about entertainment. Twenty or 30 minutes of footage of people sitting around in a dark room, occasionally interrupted by someone asking, "did you hear that" in reference to a sound inaudible to the viewing audience, doesn't make for compelling television.

So when the spirits are slumbering and the moving shadows stay in the, well, shadows, we're left with bug-eating challenges.

Of course, I'll give TAPS this credit — they have, for the most part, resisted any temptation or suggestion they may have faced to add "personalities" to liven up the show. I'm sure there's been at least some talk of adding some B list celebrity to the show, but we've seen how that turns out on the wrestler-infused Halloween specials.

One of the appeals of the show - at least originally - was that we were seeing "real" people - not entertainers and personalities - hunting ghosts.

Thanks Wes. Just…. thanks. Now you started a thought process in my brain that led me to imagine a show centered around a paranormal research team led by Paris Hilton. Even now, in the quiet of my home I am tempted to turn to the television and scream, "STOP IT!" for fear that what I have imagined is so terrible that it might bend the universe in on itself and pop into existence at any moment.

Get it out of my head! It hurts! It hurts!

No Paris! That is NOT hot! It's lame. LAAAAAAAAMMMMEEEE…… Nooooooooooooooooooo……

Don't worry that show was cancelled - I think it was called "The Simple Life" - in apparent reference to Paris' brain.

Although now that you brought it up, I wonder what Steve would offer Paris $50 to eat … ???

Paris Hilton hosting? You could just see it now:

Guy1: I just felt a cold spot.
Paris: That's hot.

I get the whole entertainment part, but I've watched since the beginning, and I get the feeling a lot of you guys have as well. I guess it's just disheartening to watch this show go down like this. The teams are just too "comfortable" or something. Put Kris with Steve and Tango with Joe. Or heck, even break up Jason and Grant. Now that would be good. Just something.

As for looking at Kris' butt…well, nah. If I were to say that I tuned in just to look at someone, it'd be Tango, but he's got that goofy hat going on. They could bring Mr. Tango back all the time, he's a former policeman, so he knows what he's doing with investigations.

I think I'd love to see the whole show devoted to one location. More showing around, actual investigation, and then the reveal. They can show the findings before the reveal, but I get so bored with watching Steve and Tango sit around and watch the TV.

Paris Hilton hosting? You could just see it now:

Guy1: I just felt a cold spot.
Paris: That's hot. (said without looking up from her cell phone as she texts her BFF of the week)

I get the whole entertainment part, but I've watched since the beginning, and I get the feeling a lot of you guys have as well. I guess it's just disheartening to watch this show go down like this. The teams are just too "comfortable" or something. Put Kris with Steve and Tango with Joe. Or heck, even break up Jason and Grant. Now that would be good. Just something.

As for looking at Kris' butt…well, nah. If I were to say that I tuned in just to look at someone, it'd be Tango, but he's got that goofy hat going on. They could bring Mr. Tango back all the time, he's a former policeman, so he knows what he's doing with investigations.

I think I'd love to see the whole show devoted to one location. More showing around, actual investigation, and then the reveal. They can show the findings before the reveal, but I get so bored with watching Steve and Tango sit around and watch the TV.