I don't think there's any way it can be a boom mike (aside from the fact that it looks like a hand and nothing like a boom mike).

When the camera pans back to Grant after the glass falls, there's no one behind him, meaning the boom mike would have to be held by someone in front of Jay - but the shadow clearly moves downward, meaning whatever made the shadow moved downward, yet we don't see the shadow of (or the actual) support rod holding the mike come into view in front of Jay as it would have to if that was what cast the shadow.

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I love Quicktime for this because you can grab the little position marker and move it backwards and forwards to play the movie in slow-motion forward and reverse.

Upon playing around with that we can actually clearly see that Grant's shadow is moving as the camera turns (because the Camera is the light source) and if you trace the shadow of his head back towards the moment we see the "flicking" shadow it becomes clear the shadow in question is in VERY close proximity to the shadow of Grant's head. Like, over-the-shoulder close.

In the moment the camera begins to pan towards Grant we can see the shadow of his head touching the edge of the doorframe, meanwhile the shadow in question was just a few inches to the left of the doorframe, and at about the same height.

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So Grant got busted because he gave the glass a throw by flicking it near his head, over the shoulder like, instead of just tossing it underhand style?

In reply to the post by medievil below: His arm's shadow wouldn't have to get caught on film if all that was in the view of the camera was the shadow of his hand.

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Do you guys not understand HOW a boom mic works??..lol
the audio guy is LIKELY behind the camera guy, who is kneeling with the camera at an odd angle looking up.. all the audio guy has to do is move the boom sliughtly and it will swing , just like the shadow …
Also, how you get that it looks like a hand, when it looks exactly like a boom mic(They hang suspended from the boom so they don't pick up the audio guy HANDLING the boom)
if it were a hand, where is Grants Arm??the shadow is in the center, so his arm would have to be casting a shadow as well…

Makes much more sense that the mic is hanging DOWN into the light enough to cast a shadow

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@J, but they are saying he held his hand up and out in front of him…I mean, do it yourself.. hold your arm out in front of you head level, palm down and try to make a shadow like the one in the clip (it's not possible INHO my hand palm down holding a small object with a below light source doesn't make a shadow like that)…
your arm is LOWER than your hand right??? so where is the shadow of his arm connecting to that shadow??

Also, where was the Camera?? it was up beside Jason pointing back slightly… in order for it to be Grants Hand, he'd have to have his hand practically in camera view… and you can't say well when the camera pans back..yada, yada, cause the light source is attached to the camera.. the shadows would have changed drastically teh view changes…

Honestly..I think you guys have lost a little perspective.. you are so caught up in wanting to Catch Grant Faking evidence, that you are seeing him do it in stuff that just isn't there…
Even the whole lamp thing is a pretty lame attempt to say Grant did it…
Not once did I even see the consideration that whatever PARANORMAL moved the lamp, could have also moved the cord…Thats kinda showled a bias and preconcieved notion that "grant" faked it

Where is the video of a debunker, with a similar table, lamp and placement showing HOW Grant accomplished this in a near pitch black room….
To me, you can't debunk it unless you can PROVE that it could even be faked the way it's being claimed..

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medievil, did the ghost that moved the lamp and the cord also move Grant's chair closer to the table and pull the cord taut so it looks like it is running into Grant's left hand?

Who has lost perspective? We have a shadow that is six-inches to the left of Grant's head that is the perfect size, shape, timing and motion to be a hand flicking a piece of glass over a shoulder and you contend the more likely explanation is that an audio guy — who we can't even be sure was even in the room at the time (we certainly see no evidence of him or his boom mike as the camera swings around to face Grant) — was standing right behind the camera guy, immediately to Grant's left, with a boom mike hanging over Grant's left shoulder, *practically in camera view* (it has to be in front of the light source attached to the camera in order to case a shadow) and it happened to bounce in that exact way at that precise moment.

As I said, it's certainly not impossible, but other than that there isn't any evidence to support it. On the other hand we know the shadow of Grant's head is right next to the anomalous shadow, we know the anomalous shadow must have been slightly closer to the camera than Grant's head (because of where the respective shadows are), we know Grant has a left hand that was near the right place at the right time and we know it was (ostensibly) empty. We also know the movement of the shadow precisely matches not only the motion of a flicking hand, but also the exact timing to match up with the clinking of the glass hitting he ground a split-second later.

So as much as you may be upset by the suggestion that the shadow might be Grant's left hand, and despite the fact that I agree with you that this isn't conclusive proof of anything, the most likely explanation is NOT a boom microphone held by a man that may not even be in the room. It is the supposedly empty left-hand of the man who is definitely in the room and is standing in the position we know the shadow originated from.

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If Grant turned around for a moment, facing away from Jason, to flick the glass down the hall and did so by bringing his hand up near his head, then all we would catch is the shadow of his hand as it came back and then move forward as he tossed the piece of glass.

There is actually time for Grant to turn back around looking toward Jason because after we see the shadow, the camera focuses on Jason, thus giving Grant enough time to turn around.

Logisti: If this isn't conclusive proof of Grant hoaxing, then on a scale of 1 to 5, (1 being weak, 5 being strong) how would you rate this as being evidence of Grant hoaxing something? In fact, I pose that question to everyone.

And in reply to the comment below: Ahh, just a little flick over the shoulder and behind the back eh? Yeah, that'd do it.

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There's no need for him to turn around at all. His left hand is the one thats free and the shadow is exactly where we would expect it to be if he had quickly tossed something over his left shoulder. He wouldn't even need to look up from the FLIR screen (which he is looking at studiously when the camera focuses on him).

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In terms of actual evidence that Grant is hoaxing something, unfortunately I have to apply the same standards here that I do to paranormal evidence. So I'd have to say that the shadow is consistent with Grant throwing the glass, but doesn't prove it. It isn't quite that clip on "Most Haunted" where Yvette moaned, then claimed that a ghost had done it. Still… this is an extremely good catch.

1-5? I'd call it a 3. A 5 would be getting into Pilgrim's secret stash of outtakes and finding a shot of Grant attaching the fishing line to the Race Rock chair. A 4: full-bodied shadow of Grant throwing the glass.

If this is Grant hoaxing, is this really the best he could come up with? Before I knew about the shadow, I didn't even think that the glass needed debunking.

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It's definitely not conclusive, but I'd say a 3 1/2.

Stephen - unfortunately, when this sort of evidence, along with personal experiences and EVPS are used to declare a place haunted, what else are we going to try to debunk?

It'd be great to have clear video of a full-body apparition to analyze one day - but I'm not holding my breath.

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Logisti,
Thats where we disagree.. IMHO, it looks NOTHING like a hand..It's the wrong size (Much bigger) and in the wrong place for the light source to BE Grants hand…
So yea, I say some have lost persepctive (You've said the "Obvuious conclusion is it is Grant" when there is no evidence to support that or even that it was more than just coiencidental, to me thats not debunking)…The audio guy stays behind the camera guy so that he is always out of frame… comon Production practice..It would not be unusualy at all to catch the shadow of the boom mic at the angle the camera was at THAT precise time…

As to the lamp cord…I reviewed everything and NEVER did I see the lamp cord LOOk like it was in grants left hand..
I saw where it was SUGGESTED.. but saw no proof… and certainly, no recreation showing it was even possible.
It's easy to take a picture and SUGGEST anything.. true debunking comes in the form of offering a theory AND recreating it

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I agree with the 3/5 rating as a standalone piece of evidence, but despite Grant being perhaps the most personable and likable member of TAPS he somehow has been the *ONLY* member of TAPS to ever generate serious suspicion with similarly inconclusive evidence, and he's done it a number of times.

Once you get past the lamp (with his chair moving closer to the table and the cord seeming to run into his hidden left hand), the race rock chair (which began being suspicious the moment he left it in the attic for no apparent reason when he knew he wasn't going back up there) or the picture frame (which we discuss at length in Podcast Episode #5) you then begin to notice that there are a number of interesting occurrences which have no real evidence to suggest hoaxing, but happen to occur when Grant is in a room by himself — like when Jay leaves Grant alone for a moment to go up into an attic and the faucet in the bathroom next to Grant suddenly turns on.

So, 3/5 on top of a mountain of 3/5's when no one else, not Jay, not Steve, not Kris, not Dave Tango, NO ONE else on the team has even a single piece of moderately compelling circumstantial evidence to suggest they're anything but honest. Either Grant "made" this show with shenanigans or else he's breaking it with suspicion leveled at alleged shenanigans. Perhaps both. In any case, I don't think there's any chance he'll disappear from the show but he is the by far a more serious threat to the credibility of TAPS than any misuse of equipment ever will be.

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is Grant an evil hoaxer or is he just in the wrong place at the wrong time… every time?

It's important to be open minded but if I was as certain as some people here seem to be that Grant is pulling the strings and all this is BS then I'd find something else to do on Wednesday night. rapidly.

Seriously, since I started perusing here months ago the tone seems to have changed, and not for the better in my mind.

At the end of the day it's just a TV show! (Sounding like William Shatner on SNL) I guess I just don't care that much.

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ummm..why did race rock chair become suspicious???
That statement makes zero sense.. they left a cemera running up there and would most definately be going back later…taking a chair with him while there were still investigating wouldn't make any sense….and the picture frame.. why would it HAVE to be fishing line?? Because there is no such thing as a ghost moving an object?? or just because it was Grant and you think he fakes things?? There certianly was nothing that would make ANYONE think it was fishing line…
Heck as far as anyone knows there may be more footage of him going to get the guys, cause he or Jason said on the show that they checked it out right after and couldn't find anything…just cause the show didn't use that footage doesn't mean Grant is faking anything…Things have happened to OThers as well… JAson and the welts on his back… Grant also had a similar interaction…
The shadow and voices in the lighthouse, the shadows in Waverly Hills that caused the wresting dude to scream like a girl…

Heck I have seen Grant Debunk waaaay more stuff than the show has presented as stuff they thought had merit….does a lot of stuff happen to Grant? sure, but Grant also volunteers to stay in the haunted rooms.. The one time that Jason DID stay in one he also had experiences…

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Thanks for the input everyone. And I really appreciate the different points of view (pun intended). Although this seemed like a gotcha moment to me, I can't for the life of me understand why it was necessary, if it happened the way my eyes saw it. If it was something else, I am the first to say that my lieing eyes were wrong. If not, it does go the heart of how far will a show go to keep you engaged. Bottom line, I'm with Jef, it is just a show and a damned good one at that. I will just have to keep my mind and my eyes wide open. God bless the DVR!!!

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I'm going to go with Jef on this one and just say that everything we discussed has been well documented, everyone can review it and decide how strong/weak, important/unimportant they think the evidence is, and all of it has been discussed ad nauseum, perhaps with a special emphasis on nauseum.

As for the tone of recent posts being different, I think that can be directly attributed to the show being different, but as medievil is a great example of, some people may not see things that way and I can respect that.

Also, medievil seems to be having some problems posting — if anyone else is please let me know.

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I do not think that Grant would do anything to make the show look bad ,or to make the team look like a bunch of fake's There is such a thing called integrity

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I do not trust Grant. He seems to be the secretive evidence planter on the show.

Jason and Grant are starting to see some nice $cratch from their Tv contract renewal and DVD sales and lecture circuit ventures– ofcourse this married family man does not want the show to be surpassed as the #1 reality ghost show and Sci Fi network hit. He is on a gravy train that can last many years (see Yvette Fielding and her BBC "Most Haunted" camp fest). Not to mention the show's filming gets him out of the house where he can enjoy travel and a change of pace from being plumber and suburban dad. What dude wouldnt throw a piece of glass and play along or claim to see spooky faces in dark rooms just to remain a TV personality? Though I suggest he lay off a bit - if he is going to be constantly defrauded by sites such as this. I mean, even MH host/producer Yvette Fielding doesnt "hear" whispers in her ear EVERY WEEK and psychic medium Derek Acorah didnt get possessed every show (then again- maybe I am wrong — I guess he did– but hey! it got him a lucrative spinoff show, right?)

so far in the Taps troupe, Jason's hands seems to be clean…
and as for Grant , well… he's "here to help" (his bank account).

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Don't just single out Grant. The production company has a lot at stake here in terms of ratings and advertising ca$h. Being within a few feet of Jason and Grant, maybe the camera/sound tech(s) witnessed or even participated in staging the glass shard anomaly. We'll probably never know.

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B-9, so-noted, but regarding this particular piece of footage there are only two facts that really matter and one of them doesn't leave much wiggle room for alternative explanations.

1: There is the question of whether the shadow is related to the sound of the glass falling. The timing certainly suggests it is, but the motion and shape of the shadow can be interpreted as a boom mike, and certainly there is the possibility it could be something no one has even thought of (e.g. the brim of someone's hat, or something else silly but innocent)

2: The position of the shadow is right next to the shadow of Grant's head. This is where there things get tight — literally speaking, in three-dimensional space. Yes, a shadow is a two-dimensional image cast by an object and we're used to seeing shadows of ourselves, birds, and even airplanes. Often it can be difficult to determine where a shadow actually originated from in three-dimensional space, but not in this case.

The problem is that we know the light source (an infrared light source, in fact) is mounted with the camera so whatever cast this shadow had to be far enough forward to cast a shadow from the camera's light source, but not too far forward or else we would see the actual object within the camera's field of view.

This limitation, combined with Grant's known location, means that we can essentially prove beyond the shadow of doubt (excuse the pun) that the object was 8-15 inches to the left of Grant's head, at roughly the same elevation as his head, and either slightly in-front-of or perhaps directly over Grant's shoulder. The last part we know because it casts a shadow, but it's too far back to enter the camera's field of view. Once we know that, we can determine the rest from where the shadow is cast in the other two dimensions (on the wall).

This basically leaves only two working theories that seem to have good plausibility: 1) It's Grant's hand or 2) It's a microphone on a boom that is being held over Grant's shoulder or thereabouts, from an audio guy standing immediately behind Grant & the camera operator.

So while I agree it's important not to forget that there are crew members on set who should be subjected to equal, if not more scrutiny than the TAPS investigators, in this case if the shadow is a hand then it essentially can only be Grant's hand because of where it is — unless it is the hand of the camera operator himself, but there's no reason for the camera operator to wait until he is standing *in-front* of Grant to throw the glass.

On the other hand, we know the camera operator was standing behind Grant just a few feet earlier in this corridor so if Grant was going to throw a piece of glass, it would make perfect sense for him to wait until the camera operator was standing in-front of *him*.

In a nutshell, that's why the contention in this case is (so far) limited to a list of only two suspects: Grant and a boom mike.

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…and I just noticed something else that some of you are going to hate me for (or say that I'm reaching) but really, I think it's significant. You may not, and that's all right.

When the glass hits the floor Jay immediately reacts to the sound, turns around and says, "What was that?" — notice how Grant reacts. He doesn't. He has absolutely no reaction, even after Jay asks what the sound was. He doesn't turn around curiously, he doesn't look confused, he just keeps staring down at the FLIR screen. To me that seems very odd.

Before someone makes the case that it's his job to look at the FLIR screen and he can't look up from it — sure, that's possible. Of course there was the curious case of Fort Mifflin, when both of them somehow failed to notice a man-sized, man-shaped, man-temperature hot-spot in a dead-end of a cold basement, so I'm not inclined to accept that explanation but it's certainly possible.

I've said it before, I'll say it again and we even mention it in the most recent Podcast, "Objects in Motion", but we don't *want* any of this is be hoaxing. We want it to be real. I can't tell you how excited I get when I see a piece of evidence I don't have a plausible scientific explanation for — but I can't just turn my head and look the other way when the evidence suggests a plausible explanation I don't like, either.

As Stephen points out in the Podcast, Grant in particular seems like a really nice guy and he'd be the last person we'd want to believe was a hoaxer. I mean, why not Jay? He seems much less personable, we've even seen him act like a bit of a jerk on occasion. If this was a "nicest guy" contest Grant would win and Jay would probably finish dead last on the team but unfortunately this isn't about who we like, this is about what the evidence indicates.

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Good call, Logisti.

I also noticed that he was too nonchalant - as if a loud noise right behind you in a haunted hotel wouldn't make you immediately turn around … I wonder what the chances are that TAPS and/or Grant will address any of these questions?

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Stand in front of a light so you make a shadow on the wall, now raise your hand above your head and flick your wrist as if tossing a small objsct, such as the piece of glass. See how the fingers move down and back?

Does that look similar to the video?

Sure does to me.

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Logisti

I agree with you and Stephen. You both apply self-disciplined thinking and reasoning at the highest level of quality in a fair-minded way.

I believe what Skepticalviewer has accomplished is to keep reality from being flawed by the nature of human thinking when left unchecked.

Most of what you and Stephen write or say in your pod cast should be interpreted as well-reasoned conclusions and solutions, testing them against relevant criteria and standards.

Alternative explanations are inherent in thinking and imposing intellectual standards upon them.

Anyone who believes everything they see or hear on Ghost Hunters may be considered Critical thinking challenged. I applaud all your efforts in alternative thinking about the paranormal.

As for Grant hoaxing, I rate the probability 4.8.

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Hi there,

I read these posts today with great interest and finally had an opportunity to play around with the clip that Logisti so kindly placed here for us.

What I see is a sweep movement from right to left. The top of the shadow is stationary while the bottom of the shadow sweeps. If this was Grant moving his hand in a natural motion the bottom or wrist would be stationary with the fingers at the top making the motion from right to left.

It just does not seem plausible that Grant would extend his arm up, bend his wrist at a 90 degree angle with the glass between his fingers and flip it out in a right to left movement in order to create the motion that we saw. The angle is too odd and based what was captured on film would we not have seen more of the 90 degree bend?

It looks like the boom mic to me. They hang straight down from the boom and look just like the solid black mass that is there on the film. Nothing looks amiss with Grant.

The footage also shows that the crew is right there within a couple of feet just behind them. When Jay and Grant stop and Jay begins to turn around the crew probably caught up with them, stopped short and made the boom arm swing slightly thus creating the shadow.

Just my opinion folks.

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I was noticing the direction of the motion also. Initially I was thinking Grant could have used his left hand to toss something over his left shoulder, but the motion of the shadow does seem to disagree with this.

On the other hand, if he briefly switched the FLIR screen over to his left hand and used his right hand to quickly toss a piece of glass over his left shoulder that is completely consistent with the motion of the shadow.

That also would explain why we don't see the arm and elbow — because it would be horizontal, not vertical and the shadow would go off the edge of the doorframe (so we wouldn't see it).

Still, none of this disproves the boom mike hypothesis either, but keep in mind we don't know how they use their audio crew and if an audio guy was even with them, plus you have to explain the motion and timing of the shadow in relation to the noise as a coincidence and then you have to explain Grant's failure to even look up in response to either the sound or to Jay asking about the sound.

Not that such explanations aren't possible or even plausible, but it just seems like there's a lot of explaining to do and that's why I say it is the less likely explanation. If it's Grant, we know he's there, we know that shadow could be his hand, we can even prove the shadow came from within inches of his left shoulder.

On the other hand, we need to assume the presence of a sound guy, assume the presence of a boom mike over Grant's shoulder, assume a coincidental movement with coincidental timing and assume Grant has a good reason to respond to the sound and Jay's question in what appears to be an unnatural way. Yes, that might be what happened, but Occam's Razor suggests it's the less likely of the two explanations offered.

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If you are holding a small object between your thumb and index finger, your middle finger is curled and your thumb rests against it for stability.

When you toss the object, the wrist bends and the fingers move down and back, with the index and middle fingers still somewhat extended. What the shadow appears to indicate is the down and back movement of these two fingers.

An example :
Take a marble sized piece of paper and toss it into the wastebasket, basketball style. (Of course this is goofing of at work, but it is also Science)

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I didn't read all the comments, so if I repeat something, I'm sorry…

So, Grant is SO into having evidence of a haunting that he would toss the piece of glass, even though the camera is pointed between he and Jason, and could possibly pick up what he was doing, to make this claim? I don't really think that's the case.

If they are going to stage evidence, they are going to be more careful about it than that.

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Jamie, as I said earlier, if we were having a discussion based on our opinions then I'd agree with you 100% but we're having a discussion based on facts. The facts are that *something* made that shadow, the only two working hypotheses anyone seems to have are 1) it's Grant's hand or 2) it's a boom mike — and for the reasons outlined above, the boom mike explanation is scientifically speaking the less likely of the two.

I don't want it to be true. I don't want to believe Grant is hoaxing. I feel angry and betrayed by the very thought of it, and maybe you're right and he didn't do anything. Maybe it really was a boom mike. I'd very much like to believe that, but while the evidence doesn't rule it out it's still the weaker of the two explanations.

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Something is a little odd with the whole cut scene. There was no camera down and next to Jay right before his reaction to the glass. I'm not saying this whole scene was somehow re-staged for the effect, but it does seem odd that there's a camera in right next to Jay's face and a second before there wasn't. Were they using zoom?

I personally don't believe anything has been faked, and I haven't seen any definitive evidence that Grant is responsible for any trickery. The only thing they may be guilty of is misinterpreting their data on occasion.

eta: On the other hand, it was probably just an edit. I wonder how much footage is edited out because of getting equipment, sound guys, prod crew, boom mikes, wires and everything else in the frame. I'm sure from a production point of view, that clip was certainly "ugly" and I'm going with the boom making the shadow.

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I hadn't really given the glass incident much thought and pretty much just dismissed it. But now it does seem odd. If I recall correctly, they looked around and it didn't match any of the window panes in the area. So where did it come from? If it was paranormal, shouldn't the glass have come from somewhere in the vicinty? And if J & G looked but couldn't find a matching window, then it certainly leaves us with the suspicion that it was brought in. And of course, that leads us straight to Grant. However, as has been mentioned before, I wouldn't put it past the filming crew to 'help out' a little.

EDIT: Oh, and a couple of people mentioned how Grant seemed a bit too nonchalant. Good catch. I hadn't really noticed that but, yea. If something unexpected falls at my feet in broad daylight I'm going to react to it….

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Doesn't the technology exist that would make it possible for investigators to wear cameras mounted on some type of headgear that would allow the viewers to observe what the investigator's are observing ? There are numerous times when investigators are pointing down long hallways seeing everything from shadows to full-body apparitions and the cameras are pointed directly away from whatever incident and directly on the investigators. It seems much of their most interesting evidence is lost this way and it does lead you to question why TAPS would tolerate such a situation unless it was technically not possible to correct it.

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Helmet cam technology does exist.And they have been mentioned on the forum.They are very popular in Action Sports. Why taps doesn't use them is a mystery. But we are supposed to accept using other equipment for a purpose for which it was not made and has not been shown to be effective and falls under the explanation of pseudoscience.I can only think of one reason for not using the head cam. Explaining what they are seeing has more enterment value and holds the
the attention of the audience. Or, their is always a possibility they simply don't see anything.

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The suggestion to use head mounted cams is years old. The fact that TAPS has not implemented better evidence collection techniques indicates a need to limit the shows content. The shows intention is to just imply the existence of the paranormal, without ever proving it conclusively. It presents "events", that keeps the audience interested, entertained, and coming back for more.

"Ghost Hunters" is a terrific example of the use of psychology in entertainment production.

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RT, it's been a long ongoing problem with TAPS that they seem to do a lot of things their more scientifically-minded viewers realize is wrong, but even though those viewers are big fans who really want to make the show better, their many, many good suggestions (like yours above, which has been voiced many times) seem to be for the most part ignored.

In a few cases TAPS seems to listen, but often when they do it's as if they're only half-listening. People criticized the K2 meter on a number of different grounds, and they addressed one of those — the ability for someone holding it to manipulate the readout.

In another case they implemented something called a Faraday Cage, which is designed to reduce or eliminate electrical and radio interference around a microphone — which would lend more credence to the idea that any anomalies caught may be spirits trying to communicate. As we mention in the podcast, we couldn't believe it when they used this device with a WIRELESS microphone.

In fact, we still can't believe they're using wireless microphones to record EVPs *at all*. It's as if they're just begging for their evidence to be contaminated with interference that might sound like voices.

So there are a number of perceived inadequacies in the way TAPS conducts their investigations and many dedicated fans have tried their best to communicate easy solutions but alas, they don't seem interested in changing their methods so many of us have stopped bringing it up.

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I agree with SO many of you.

Here's the deal, imho: A crew member threw it. I'm married to an ex-sound guy: had him look, and he thinks it's too thin to be a mic. It's too unwieldy to move that quickly and at that angle. It's a hand.

I don't think it's Grant, but I think Grant didn't react like he was supposed to. Maybe they didn't even know it was going to happen right then, but yeah, Grant is too nonplussed.

I don't think that all of GH is necessarily faked, but they DO have ratings, as Crow and others said, and they DO add stuff, I'm sure!

They need to add helmet cams or pony up a reason as to why they aren't using them.

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If all of you guys say that Grant is tossing or flicking the glass then tell me….why does the glass leave no shadow? Don't say because it is transparent….if it was thin and transparent you would see a slight shadow and some reflection. If it was thick (as it was) you would at least see the shadow. Slow the video down….take a look. There is no evidence of the glass. If it was faked then this video does not prove it.

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I agree PapaGrande

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Angela, I'm not sure where you'd expect to see a shadow for the glass. The shadow that is believed to be a hand is in and out of the frame in a split-second, I would expect that if it is a hand throwing a piece of glass then the glass would be out of frame so the camera wouldn't see it or its shadow, just like we can't see the shadow of Grant's head until the camera turns towards him.

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I just came across this site and have found it an interesting read, to say the least. There have been curious events surrounding Grant that does seem to play into him "hoaxing" things and even more demonstrations of the TAPS team failing to fully debunk things, allowing mistakes to play as possible evidence.

Yet on this one I do have an observation about the mysterious shadow against the wall as the glass falls to the floor. This addresses, in particular, the debate on what is making the shadow. Is it Grant's hand? Is it a boom mic? Are is it something else? I think the secret lies in the viewing of the video footage as it unfolds while Jason and Grant are entering through the door to the hallway.

If you notice Jason has entered through the door before Grant and they are very close together, and the camera man is right on their tail. Grant pauses and turns sideways, as the camera man approaches the door and begins to come between Jason and Grant (indicating that there isn't a sound man right at that specific moment in the path of the camera's light) and what we notice first is the the light from the camera is casting a shadow of Grant's head and shoulder profile onto that very area of the wall at the same window pane height.

We accurately see the shadow of his head as he looks into the hallway toward the right and then back toward Jason. As the camera man progresses quickly between our two humble host, managing to become attached to Jason's backside/shoulder area,just as the glass is clattering to the right of them, Grant's shadow fades away, due to the camera light and lense passing his body mass. Now, Grant is turned sideways and looking at the camera man entering the hallway, when the sound occurs and Jason reacts.

Now Grant at this point is right next to the camera man and his body mass is still partly in the path of the lighting. This is where you then notice that the shadow moves, or more accurately swings, to the right, toward the direction of the sound. Note that is is somewhat spikey looking as well!

So what is reflecting on the wall? It appears to be the tip of Grant's hair as his head turns quickly toward the right direction of the hallway! These actions fit the flow of the entire clip and all references point to the intial shadow of Grant's profile against the wall, with the camera intially moving toward Grant, to only a partial shadow of his hair, as the camera is now on the side of him and slightly passed him.

So it appears to be just Grant's head movement. Now thats not to say he could not have tossed the piece of glass to the right of him, as all of this was happening, but nor does it suggest this seeing how the camera was zooming right on and past him when this happened.

Now some food for thought for the Conspiracy Enthusiasts!

1. Notice right before Grant enters the doorway, as the camera is following behind him, that his right arm is curled up with his fist clenched near his pocket areas, could there be something in his hand?

2. Notice that when he turns sideways, in the doorway, he slightly glances to the right, Could he be looking/scanning the right hallway area, because he is planning to do something and checking for a clear shot?

3. Notice that the shadow of his hair swinging to the right (which seems to be a covert reaction) happens just before or as the sound is being made. Could it be that he had anticipated the noise and was looking for were the piece of glass fell?

Of course, this is all in fun and in the spirit of the sceptic's view, but by all means give Grant the benefit of the doubt and remember one's guilty until proven…I mean one's innocent until proven guilty. cheers!

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One quick note, my observations came from the footage as it took place, per the youtube episode part 3, which starts out with this incidence. I did notice that the one on this page does not match up with the events as they played out, it seems to be a clip of separate pieces put together from different camera shots and time scales of the event.

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Curious, I actually cut that clip directly from the episode myself, it was one contiguous piece. The edit/cut was done on Pilgrim's end prior to the episode airing.

It is possible they cut episodes slightly differently for different markets. If the episode you found has relevant footage not in the clip above, definitely post a link so we can take a look.

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