C-5 Galaxy the largest plane in the Air Force was very impressive and probably the most interesting part of the show.

What we got was, did you hear that, knock knock tap tap the same thing we have heard many times this season proves nothing. Jason requested the spirit make a noise and we can all agree we heard a tap shortly after the request.A tap or knock does not prove communication with a spirit.

I did not see the bathroom door shut, and I don't believe it was shown or mentioned on the reveal.

I've never seen a stationary flashlight that was "off" turn itself "on" — and this flashlight didn't seem like the normal cheapo models that have wiring problems anyway.

More flying bags. Just like Franks flying bag no one looked inside the bag to see if it contained camera equipment or cotton balls. No one examined the flashlight so we can either conclude it was a perfectly normal working light or it was tampered with. Again the show produced no evidence of the existance of spirits or ghosts.

Like you pointed out, Logisti, after the walkthrough Grant insisted on "residual" hauntings, which he's done a lot this season. But everything that happened on the show tonight contradicted that. There was a lot of interaction between TAPS and the supposed paranormal activity.

The woman giving the tour talked about the reports of the apparition of a woman dressed in clothes from another era (I don't remember exactly how she phrased it). I wonder if she was wearing a Victorian dress? That seems to be the most popular choice of female apparitions.

I can't explain the flashlight turning on.

Agree that the flashlight was the most interesting evidence, but I'd like to know more about how the on/off button functions. The light almost seemed to flicker for a split second before coming on, almost as if there was battery contact that fluctuated (like how a loose light bulb will sometimes flicker) … but without an examination of the exact flashlight, we'll never know.

The best part of the episode … Kristyn didn't pull out the dowsing rods …

The flashlight was impressive as I havnt actually seen Jay get excited very much but he seemed to perk up and really get interested when that occured. My impression is he has seemed burned out for a while, maybe this will him excited again. I think deep down he needs his own event to get him going again and I think he is distrustfull of some of the the things that have went on, but doesnt wont to call people out and ruin long relationships, not to mention the gravy train.

Yeah that flicker though was more like pressure to come on started, built up and then boom. To me that actually enforces the event, as whatever force acted on it needed to build higher to push it on. Though we dont have the flashlight, I would say this is the most impressive single event Ive seen so far.

I would have been more impressed with the flash light.. if they had tried again with a different flash light. I agree, Jasons reaction seemed real.

I liked the flashlight part, too. Other than the shadow in the lighthouse, it's been the most impressive thing I've seen on this show. (providing it's not special effects).

I have to laugh at the ghost-women always wearing Victorian clothes. Maybe they should alter their wardrobe and put on a flapper dress every once in a while. Or maybe a bridal gown. That would be nice and spooky.

Actually the girl said she saw what seemed like a woman "from another era". That doesn't necessarily mean Victorian — she might have meant the woman was wearing 1940's or 1950's style clothing. That would certainly stand out to someone today as being "from another era".

In regards to the flashlight… I own a flashlight that appeared to be very similar to the one in the episode. The button allows for the flashlight to be turned on without "clicking" the button on. Meaning, slight pressure will turn the light on. Releasing the pressure will turn the light off. This allows for quick use of the light without clicking it off and on. Having my young son play with my flashlight, when the source turning on the light struggles with the pressure needed to "click" the light on, you get that flicker effect.

I agree with all of you. I'm actually stationed here at Wright Patterson AFB and am a paranormal investigator. I'm a mid shift cop so I've been in a lot of these places with some weird happenings. Personally if I were J&G I would have requested to go to some better places than building 70.

Flashlight equals impressive. I do think the Arnold House has something worth mentioning. As far as building 70. I've been in that building thousands of times. It's huge. There is no telling how many animals (birds, mice, etc.) live in that place. A "knocking" sound or unexplained noises don't excite me.

Want a good show? Go to the museum on base 3 am. I have.

In watching the Wright-Patterson AFB show last night on DVR, my husband and I both noticed something that was not in the reveal. When Jay and Grant were in the warehouse and they were asking for 2 taps, the cameraman went around the room and behind a fan (just like what Jay and Grant were standing behind) a black shawdow poked out. This happened twice, because the cameraman swept the same area again. Did anyone else notice this???

I think the point for showing Grant talking about a residual haunt again had more to do with what he said right after. He said, "It sounds like it could be a residual haunt going on, but often when we think that, it turns out to not be one at all." And the episode proved that it was not.

They should go back and do the house again in another episode. Way more interaction went on there than the warehouse. The warehouse just seemed to be a lot of noises that can be easily explained. I work in a building set up very similar to that one and noises come and go all of the time, but that's all they are, noises.

But the flashlight was very impressive. I didn't see any trickery going on either. They actually framed it very well. You could see all the way into the bathroom and there was no one there. Definitely some interesting evidence.

I only mentioned the "residual haunting" thing because it's something that was mentioned a couple of times over the first few seasons, but suddenly this season it seems Grant is talking about how it might be a "residual haunting" at the beginning of every second investigation.

I don't have any hypothesis for why he's suddenly on a "residual haunting" kick, but it just seems like he is for some reason. Like in the Library a few weeks ago the Librarian said he hears banging and then when he calls out for the ghost to stop, it stops. Shortly thereafter Grant is saying he thinks it's probably a "residual haunting" as if he was just dying to say that even though it didn't match up with what he'd just been told.

Similarly here, the girl who gave the tour before this investigation said several employees heard a woman call their name when no one was around. A couple of hours later Grant mentions how it might be a residual haunting (although he did qualify it this time, as you mentioned) despite that making zero sense considering the reports of names being called.

As I said, I have no idea what — if anything — it might mean, but it strikes me as very odd that he's not only mentioning it much more frequently, but mentioning it at times when it doesn't even match with the information he was just briefed on.

Shannon, I have it on DVR as well. Where in the episode (after which commercial break, about how many minutes in, etc) would you estimate this is. I'd like to take a look at it.

Um, I have a few skeptical questions (forgive me, but this *is* the site for such things, right?). Despite my own feeling that the flashlight was pretty amazing, I'm trying to think about how it *could* have been faked. First of all, why put a flashlight on the floor and ask the spirit to turn it on? Has this been done before on a GH episode? (Yes, there *are* other items that GH'ers have asked to be "handled"–a child's ball, a pen, and so forth). I guess it's standard for the GH'ers to ask for the manipulation of a physical object. But the flashlight is new to me (I confess I haven't seen every single episode). Perhaps it was Jay's sudden whim.

But was there a space beneath that hallway–a basement, for example? Given that it was an old house, the floorboards could be rather thin. Could the flashlight have been "ready to turn on in a flash," as Jamie implicitly suggested, even inadvertently? And could someone have thumped upward on the floor from below just to see what would happen?

I know, I'm being awful, questioning our general trust in Jay and Grant. But my main objective is not to question them as much as it is to try to figure out how something like this could happen *without* paranormal activity. In other words, is this phenomenon explainable in other ways?

Let me say, though, that I had an experience with a very similar request–asking two "spirits," who had identified themselves via a Ouija board, to turn on–and off–a pair of light bulbs in a ceiling fixture in the room. The "spirits" seemingly obliged. (Yes, it was incredibly freaky, and I will soon submit the story in detail to our Possibly Paranormal forum for possible "earthly" explanations).

The flashlight incident reminded me a lot of my own experience.

Im guessing the residual haunting thing has just became a habit for him to mention, he probaly doesnt even realize how many times he says it. Sort of like an easy out to say to people, oh its probaly residual, thats so common, lol.

As to someone under the floor bumping the light on, that goes back to me wondering if someone was under the table pulling the lamp (2 plug in at the end). It would be hard to guess if getting under the floor in the right position is possible, but it doesnt seem that likely if they hadnt been there before.

June, the questioning is totally cool but as for your hypothesis I'm not sure banging on the floor would a) turn the flashlight on and b) it would probably make the flashlight bounce and jitter.

More likely would be a classic wiring short — which Jason acknowledged as a possibility. I don't think that sort of flashlight is prone to it though, and as was mentioned the flickering is consistent with the way that type of switch works — if you don't press it in hard enough to "click" on then it will go on momentarily, but a little less pressure and it will go off. Keep the pressure right around that area and it can flicker on and off, which is consistent with what we see and with an alleged spirit trying to turn it on.

This was the first time I've seen Jay ask a spirit to turn the flashlight on, but I don't necessarily see anything odd about that. I think they're occasionally (not often enough) coming up with new ideas for experiments and I think that's a good thing.

As for trying to think up ways an experiment might have been tampered with, or how the results might point to another (more mundane) explanation, keep thinking. We like trying to pull a piece of evidence apart every which way, putting it under a microscope and thinking creatively about it because the kind of evidence we want to see, the kind that will impress everyone, is the kind of evidence that can survive that kind of intense scrutiny.

Having been to the Arnold house several times, I have heard the stories though never experienced anything. I should note that most the Base's buildings are heated with steam pipes from one of four generating stations. I suspect some of the knocking heard might come from the pipes.

Other places of interest on WPAFB are buildings 280 and 281. Both buildings were used to inter Japanese during WWII and I have heard many stories about those two buildings. I think building 281 was demo'd a couple of years ago.

Also, over by the Huffman Prairie where the Wright brothers first tested their aircraft, I have heard of silhouettes in the dusk hours and at night.

'til later,
Scott

I believe there was an attempt to have reported child spirits turn on a flashlight. It may have been Steve, though. It seems like it may have been the first Stanley Hotel investigation. In that case they laid the flashlight on the bed, not the floor (if I'm remembering correctly).

I actually had something similiar happen to my LED flashlight at work a few months ago. I dropped the flashlight while trying to fix my computer. The flashlight was on and never shut off. I picked it up and clicked it a few times. The button appeared loose, but otherwise worked fine. When I left for the evening, I shut the lights off and the flashlight turned on. Since it was late and no one was in the office, it kind of freaked me out. I walked towards the light and it shut off, which, of course, made the situation worse. Using my common sense, I took apart the flashlight and discovered that the battery contact had seperated from the button and turned on the light.

Now, I am not saying that this is what happened here, but it illustrates how poorly these "investigations" are conducted. Why not try another flashlight? Or perhaps ask the "spirit" to repeat the action an addition time with the camera rolling. Maybe even place the flashlight in a different location. And why aren't Jason and Grant each carrying cameras to document these situations? We would have seen the door open, the flashlight turn on, etc.

Also, asking how many "of you are their" is kind of pointless if you don't confirm the results. Having the "spirits" knock 5 times, or simply counting back from ten would do just fine. Anything that would confirm the number 5.

As an avid "ghost investigator" myself, it bothers me how cavaliar TAPS is becoming to the most obvious of conclusions. Recent EVPs, EMF readings, "eye witness" accounts, and Kris's strange feelings have further hurt the credibility of the field. As the show seeks to maintain its audience share, I am finding that Jason is becoming more willing to accept evidence as being convincing. This and the cheap sound and editing effects are really hurting the quality of the show. It is just a shame that the nation's leading paranormal show has such low standards.

Being able to reproduce and confirm the results of experiments is definitely something that should be done in any scientific investigation. I'm going to make an excuse for them here and say this is TV so they want to be entertaining and being repetitive isn't a great way to hold your audience's attention, though.

That being said, I still think there's a solution. Mythbusters often has clips that their more dedicated fans might find interesting, but don't make it into the show. They put those online at Discovery Channel's website. Since Ghost Hunters similarly has their own subsection of SciFi Channel's website they could and should do something similar.

Like, right after the, "OMG, What was that?" — cut to commerical (but before the actual commercial) they could have one of the TAPS team on-screen say, "If you want to see more footage from our flashlight experiment, log onto scifi.com/ghosthunters after the show!"

Logisti, I will check on that for you. I know that it was right when Jay and Grant asked for the 2 taps. I am just wondering if it was a person standing back there doing the knocking, considering that nothing came out in the reveal. Could have also been the same "person" blocking the light at the end of the hanger?? Just a thought….

Logisti, I just called my husband and he said that it was around 33-35 mins. in and look at the top half of the screen, off center to the left, you will see a fan and to the right of the fan you will see something dip in and out from behind the fan. I think that they show that clip twice in the show.

Do you mean the fan that was on the counter Jay & Grant were leaning on? That was the only fan I was able to see after going over that section of the episode a few times.

If that's the fan, then the only three anomalies I noticed were:

1) On the right when they are asking for the two TAPS, Grant has his elbows on the counter and is moving his forearms, which makes the framed shadow (between his forearms and the metal of the fan) appear to grow and recede. Also, there are some thick wires hanging off the fan which contribute to this effect.

2) On the other side of the counter (to the left of the fan) right after Jay says, "That was two taps" we see a possible humanoid shadow as the cameraman moves his camera from a stationary position and starts turning it left. I'd guess this is probably his own shadow.

3) On the right of the fan, after Jay says he's got to keep his word and they both start walking away there appears to be some movement behind Grant but it's actually Grant's distorted reflection in one of the chrome tubes that the fan-stand is made of.

If it's not one of these three, take a look here and let me know the exact time (start looking around 7:30)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_nLTfctdLo

Logisti, it is not actually where they are standing, the camera angle moves to where they think that they hear a sound, neither one is in the frame that I was talking about. Let me know if you see what I am referring too.

Logisti, you really can't see it on the youtube clip, but it is between 8:22-8:26mins. You will be able to see it on your regular tv and it is more to the right, not left. You may have to adjust the black tint on your tv, we have ours adjusted lighter. Hope you can see it now:)

Yeah, it occurred to me that the flashlight might bounce if it were bumped from below. I like the idea that another flashlight could have been tried in order to rule out a malfunction like Brandon describes; I also really like Logisti's idea of putting the footage that didn't make it onto the television show onto a website instead (ala Mythbusters).

Does GH have a "Skepticism Consultant"? I think they could use one (at least one!). I'm sympathetic to Brandon's complaints (and yes, those sound effects are over-the-top); I think that one solution would be for the show to hire someone whose job it is to push for objectivity, even if it's not an "on-camera" job.

Shannon, could you point out the exact time I should be looking at on the YouTube Video? The "taps two times" section starts around 7:30 in — here is a link to the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_nLTfctdLo

The flashlight was interesting partially because that is the most excited I've seen Jay in a long time. He didn't seem that excited over the "Grant" things we have been talking about this season. That was a cool part of the show.

The knocking, tapping - I'm not too impressed with that. Someone mentioned steam heat, plus some areas I noticed hot air ducts in the ceiling, which I assume are connected with big sheet metal ducts, if they expand and contract that could make noise.

I found it odd Dave & Steve, while trying to get the spirit to move the candlesticks, decided to put the camera on the EMF meter. Moving candlesticks then would have been missed being captured. Then there were intercut shots of the EMF meter that I could have done without. 1. they were obviously cut in during post-production. 2. It seemed they were freeze frames so who knows how long the number shown actually read on the meter.

I am a fan of the show but this episodes viewing left me irritated and disappointed. I thought the flashlight was interesting but I was left frustrated by the cuts away by production or the camera man. It seemed in this episode we were either looking at the wall or any other piece of furniture they could find. Also Jay and Grant spending so much time with the requests for information through taps(no pun intended) reminded me of other shows that are not scientific as GH claims to be. Maybe I am the only person but how do you quantify taps as scientific proof or evidence. When the girls were in the dining room I thought I heard whispering before the Laughter moment. I think one of them asks "how old are you?" and immediately after you hear a quiet voice say something jumbled then they ask "Do you know what year it is?" and I heard it again but I didn't hear laughter. Just some food for thought!

Great insights….

The flashlight incident did not impress me at all. As others have said, they should have repeated the experiment with a different flashlight, or at least continued to ask for it to perform other tricks. There are too many ways for that incident to have been merely coincidental or outright rigged. I lean toward the latter…the entire scene seemed too affected…

Regarding the warehouse scene…if you watch when J and G are asking for 2 knocks, the first time we hear a subtle sound. They ask again, and the two louder bangs are heard. At the same time these louder noises are heard, the Pilgrim camera actually jiggles/jostles. It is simultaneous, which begs the question: did the cameraman kick/move an object out of camera sight to make the noise? This is certainly plausible, and is enough for me to discount this event entirely. Watch Grant as he asks for the banging to repeat…it seems to me that he is actually speaking to the person (perhaps the cameraman) making the banging noises for them to do it louder next time. Again, this is just how I see this event as happening, and realize that there are other plausible explanations. I just don't buy the "one knock for this, two knocks for that" brand of investigating. There is no science in this technique and in my estimation just makes them look ridiculous. Alas, I do have to remember that this is a television show that counts on ratings to make money…

I've looked at the footage that supposedly shows someone (or something) ducking out of the way and I can't honestly see anything. But, even if there is a shadowy figure, there are three possibilities that come to mind:
1) The infamous shadow people are back tapping on command and no one from TAPS or Pilgrim noticed them on the footage.
2) There was someone lurking in the warehouse unbeknownst to J, G and the gang.
3) The footage shows someone from the crew.
In this case, I have to give TAPS the benefit of the doubt - we have to remember that the footage that airs is not neccessarily chronological. A lot of the footage that shows the scenery of where they are investigating is taped before and after the actual investigation and are edited in. The figure could be anyone from the crew innocently ducking out of the way of the panning camera hours before or after the "tapping" incident. In fact, if there was only one camera crew taping J&G in the warehouse, as I suspect, they were quite clearly focusing on them - meaning the shot in question had to be taped at another time.

I have to say, whenever I see evidence of a spirit knocking in response to a question, I get very skeptical. Especially, if it happens 2 or 3 times in a row. It's just too easy to fake. It always makes me think of the episode where Steve and another member were asking a toy dragon to answer their questions, and it "did". Over and over. And, they just thought it was the greatest, and I just thought a remote controlled toy.

I can't explain the flashlight, but when it went on, the camera moved a little to the left and the doorway became darker on the inside almost like you could hide something being on the other side. I don't want to be mean, because Jay and Grant both seem to be trying to find real evidence. But, some of the evidence lately is very sketchy.

I just reviewed the part where there is a possible sighted movement of a shadow. I saw a flash of movement when the camera shows a shelving unit. The movement I think I saw was to the right and about 1.5 feet higher than the shelf. Its a bit wierd because it isn't a shadow but there is movement. When I slow it down I cannot see it but at normal speed I see it although is it quick. I could not tell you what it is or if it is an optical illusion but something is there. I feel that the idea of the show is to inspire thought. If we remain respectful and remember it is a TV show which is govern by executives for ratings. We may see some interesting stuff and be entertained. I would like to think there are other dimensions and J & G give me evidence there could be….

I did a Google search on trick flashlights. This is what I found.

Flash Flashlight Standard looking flashlight but you slide the switch back and forth and nothing happens. Dead batteries? You unscrew the top and take away the bulb and look inside. Suddenly the blub in your hand come on and the audience lets you know this. As soon as you turn to look, the bulb goes out but light now comes out from the body of the flashlight in your other hand. You can play this back and forth as long as you like. You, of course, have complete control of both lights at all times. Instructions give other ideas.In addition to the trick flashlight, we also send you a real matching flashlight. I prefer to use just the trick lens (very well made) on the real flashlight. Light doesn't work. Unscrew and notice no batteries. Top piece lights in other hand while you look into empty flashlight. Simple and a good bit of business.)$45.00

Another one can be found here. http://www.magic.org/store/product_info.php?products_id=1000

Paul, good find. I think everyone is aware of the possibility that this is could have been hoaxed, but my gut feeling is that it wasn't. Keep thinking creatively like that, though. Brilliant ideas are born that way.

Finally managed to watch the episode on YouTube. (SciFi still hadn't posted the episode on Rewind as of yesterday.)

I'm getting the feeling that there's something they're not telling us about the flashlight, though.

"Jay tried, uh, an experiment we've tried many, many, many times with a flashlight where you set it up so that it's, it's easy for a spirit to be able to manipulate it with very little energy." –Grant

This choice of words interests me because most of the time, the experiments we see them try involve extremely small amounts of force– the equivalent of a slight breeze or a vibration in the floor. There's a camera cut between when Jay flicks the flashlight on and off and when it's placed on the floor. Did Jay do something to help the spirit "be able to manipulate it with very little energy"?

Aside from that, I like the way Paul Anthony is thinking. I'd like to know if there's a remote control device that would fit in this kind of flashlight.

Does anyone out there own this particular kind of flashlight? How much force does it take to turn it on?

Have we seen Jay and Grant use this brand before this episode?

Finally, Jay promises the flashlight to the ghost, then walks off with it!

Random fact: looks like the flashlight in question is an iNova X5. http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/inova_x5t.htm

(Who knew they had a web site to review flashlights?!)

Looks like you can turn on the flashlight briefly by pushing the back, or, by screwing the tailcap, lock it on. I'm curious as to what would happen if one were to try to "help" a ghost by screwing the tailcap most of the way to the "locked on" position. Would that set up the flashlight so that the slightest vibration would turn it on?

I wonder why stop with the flashlight? They wanted a sign of a presence they got it. They wanted it to knock twice, they got it. They offered the flashlight they got it. Time to go for the brass ring, if you ask me.

"The Ghost Hunters didn't seem to have read that report"
Well, we know that Steve did not read it. Why did he inform the world that he has only read one book from cover to cover?

"I think deep down he needs his own event to get him going again"
Maybe Jason should stop eating the olives.

I dont think they had a trick flash light.

I think Grant said it all, when he said they had tried many, many times to get a response using a flash light. If it worked this ONE.. time its a chance it was an anomaly with the light.

If they had changed lights and asked again and got another light to come on,.. now thats a different ballgame. Also, I would have liked to had seen them take a good look at the light, to see if there was a defect. Maybe they did, we dont see but a small amount of what all goes on.

Sci Fi finally posted the video on their site, so I got a slightly clearer view of the flashlight sequence. I was looking for answers to these questions:

1. Do we see Jay turn the flashlight on and off normally before putting it down? If so, then it's a blow to my theory, since I'm guessing he's screwed in then tailcap so closely that a slight vibration would set it off.

The answer: yes and no. We see him flip the flashlight on and off, but then there's a cut to Grant, and then we see him put it down. If that cut removed a sequence where Jay screwed in the tailcap, then Pilgrim needs to be smacked.

2. Did Jay put the light down normally? Again, if he did so, then there's a big hole in my theory, since putting down the flashlight with the slightest bump should turn it on.

Answer: No. Ding ding ding! Watch closely as Jay puts down the light. He handles it like it's a stick of dynamite. That particular model, the Inova X5, is supposed to be shock proof, so there's little reason for him to be so careful.

3. Did we see the light come on again when Jay picked it up? Again, if he picks it up normally, and the light doesn't come on, then I'm wrong, and the tailcap isn't tight.

Answer: They don't show us Jay picking up the flashlight.

So here's my theory: after the first shot, where Jay demonstrated flicking the flashlight on and off, he turned the light on by turning the back. He then carefully unscrewed the back until the light just flickered out. That's where the next shot begins, with Jay very carefully setting down the flashlight.

Like I've said, in this state, the light requires very little force to turn on. A slight vibration might do it.

If this theory is correct, then Jay and Grant are mostly innocent on this one. It would make sense, from their perspective, to make it easy for the ghost to turn the flashlight on. Grant even mentioned it. His speech saying how hard it was to turn the flashlight on might have been taken out of context. (If not, it contradicts what he said earlier.)

Pilgrim Productions, though, doesn't come out so well if I'm right. It's not quite on the active level of the Manson FLIR, but it's at best questionable behavior.

Well, I'm going to do one thing to try to substantiate this theory. I've ordered an Inova X5– they look like great flashlights anyway– and I'll see if I can duplicate this. I might not be able to, since as Dixie points out it might well be some kind of fluke event or defect with the light. Still, it's worth a try.