Thanks Logisti, for the analysis. A few thoughts: the "footsteps" could have been the sound of the old, wooden floors expanding or contracting. As anyone who has lived in an old house with wood plank on beam floors knows, they can make a lot of racket, especially as a room warms or cools. They did sound more like footsteps, but I'm surprised that there didn't seem to be any effort to debunk/explain.

The EVP was a stretch. I listened to it 10 times and never heard "yes."

And finally … we are treated to a setup for the moving frame with Grant going out of his way to explain why he was using a camera that he'd be turning on and off to monitor the room — something about how he coud turn it off while he was undressing – nevermind that the camera only caught a small portion of the room and Grant had no problem walking around in his underwear on camera later.

It's also interesting that Gant implies that he stopped taping with the camera to review what was making the sound and then filmed the closeup shots showing there was nothing behind the frame to make it move. So we know that the camera was turned off before the fame moved, it was on for 2 minutes until it moved, then it was off for an unknown amount of time before the back of the frame is filmed to show that there was no wire attached.

hmmmm.

Also interesting was that the frame moved in the exact direction it would need to if there was a concealed wire pulling it from behind ….

As a GH fan, it's sad to think that we'll have to question any evidence the team captures from here on out.

I usually make out the EVPs, but this one I didn't get at all. Even when they told us what it supposedly said, I didn't hear it; just sounded like a breath – and I didn't even hear THAT until the last time or two.

One more note about the EVP: I missed the first half of the original airing so I just caught the analysis to the end. In watching the rerun I was particularly interested in seeing the part when they caught this EVP. I was a bit suprised when I saw it. In the reveal it seemed like there was quite a bit of time before the answer; but during the episode, it didn't seem like Tango waited that long before asking another question. But I could be wrong.

As far as the moving picture frame – who knows? If it's the chair that's suppose to move, why not rig the chair? Surely that would have been easier than the frame? It does seem suspicious that it happened just moments after Grant started the camera. On the other hand, when these things happen just off camera, we get suspicious. So. GH may be at a point where they just can't win.

And Logisti, that's funny you refer to the chair at Race Rock Lighthouse because that is EXACTLY what I thought of when I saw the frame move. It was that same jerky movement: A short quick move followed by a longer one.

Allow me to play devil's advocate for a minute.

If we take the supposition that it takes a tremendous amount of "energy" for an entity to manifest in some way (apparition, voice, telekinesis) then moving the picture frame would require short choppy movements spaced out over a period of time. A short burst of movement would not require as much "energy" as a long, dramatic movement.

This argument is in keeping with GH philosophy regarding manifestations.

Also, I thought that I saw when they showed the walk through of the third floor, the ceiling was actually a peaked and beamed ceiling, implying that the ceiling was the underside of the roof. I may be mistaken on this, though. Someone please fact check that.

If so, then there would be no crawl space.

Wes, I think your analysis of when the camera was turned off is spot on: it was off at exactly the times it would have needed to be in order to rig such a hoax and then it was off again before we were shown the closeup of the back of the frame, which would have conceivably given us the opportunity to detect any hoaxing — only after the camera operator would have had a chance to remove the evidence, so giving us a net zero.

In Grant's defense I think it *is* clear why he turned the camera off in both cases. The first time, the tape had been running all night during the investigation and he was about to go to sleep so putting a fresh tape in makes sense. It also makes sense that he would have to review the tape and see what actually moved before he could give us a closeup of the frame — because otherwise he couldn't/shouldn't have known it was the frame that moved in the first place.

Ultimately, there is a duality about many of the facts. For instance, I understand there were good reasons the camera was off at those two times, both those are also the exact two times you would need to turn the camera off if you were running a hoax. I understand that there was a whole bunch of stuff on the table, but that's exactly what you would need if you were going to hide a wire or string that was in the camera's field of view.

CrowTRobot: This brings me to my next point: Why not the chair? Well if I was intent of perpetrating a hoax in that room the chair is just too dangerous because no matter where you attach a wire/string, it's going to go through a few inches of air where it could be visible to the camera.

Frankly — and now I'm really going out on the limb of pure speculation, keep that in mind — Grant could have conceivably rigged the chair first, then reviewed the tape and realized you could see the wire, switched the wire to the picture frame instead, rewound and taped over it. We have no idea how long the camera was "off" for "between" tape changes.

So if this was a hoax I would have to say it's a well-executed one because I can't see any evidence of a hoax whatsoever. I can only see a lot of circumstantial facts that raise my suspicions, but while I think that's enough to say the clip isn't good paranormal evidence, it's not nearly enough to outright condemn the clip as "definitely not" paranormal and in-fact a hoax — despite my suspicions.

So I'd have to go with Wes and say the only thing that comes out of this (for me) is I'm going to be watching and scrutinizing even more closely and I'm going to weight hoaxing possibilities a little more heavier with future evidence.

…and for those who may think we're bitter and crazy, and that this moving picture frame is clearly some of the best paranormal evidence ever captured — you may be right. I certainly have no proof to say otherwise. Just try to remember we're only doing this because we care — we want to make sure all evidence is honest evidence, not someone guiding us to a false conclusion.

Todd, you're right about the jerky movements. The problem is that it's also consistent with someone tugging on a string (especially a string that's being pulled around a table leg or something to angle it) and they're not sure how much force to apply. In fact, everything we see is consistent with both explanations.

What I would have liked isn't much: Any number of single changes would have gone a long way to disproving a string pulling the frame. For instance, if the camera hadn't been turned off between the frame moving and the closeup of the frame. The explanation of why it was is a fair one, but it leaves open that unfortunate possibility.

Or if we could have clearly seen between the frame and the object to its right as it moved. Or if Grant had come all the way into the camera's view so we could see there wasn't anything in his right hand. Any of these things could have taken credibility away from the "hoax" explanation but as it stands the evidence neither supports nor detracts from either explanation, hoaxing or true paranormal activity.

RE: the peaked ceiling, it's difficult to tell but here's my interpretation. I think we get the best view of the ceiling after Grant is feeling around for Jay's cold spot on the couch. We see the wall to the right seems to be about in the center of the house (where the roof is highest) but we can clearly see a little bit above the horizontal beams the wall goes black and this black line goes along the entire wall.

This looks to me like the seam where the wall connects to the ceiling. We can't see the ceiling itself though, so it doesn't explicitly prove there *was* a ceiling, but the only other explanation that makes sense is that the wall simply stops and all of the rooms on that floor are open on the top, like cubicles in an office.

Now that's certainly a possibility, but while I've seen modern buildings set up like that, older buildings (aside from castles and mansions) tend to be more conservative with using interior space and an attic serves a functional purpose too — insulating the rest of the building. For those reasons I would expect there to be one, even if we can't see it.

I should emphasize that I acknowledge I could be entirely wrong about someone walking around in an attic to cause the footsteps, but it occurred to me as a possibility and with the recent number of tourist sites that have been declared "haunted" or paranormally active by TAPS I didn't want to let an easy alternative explanation go unmentioned.

Another quick thought – observers look for patterns. We're seeing now a clear pattern of GH "evidence" occuring around/near Grant where the footage can't be debunked, but can't be shown to have only paranormal explanations, either.

… and I'm still uncertain about why it was felt neccessary that Grant needed to explain why he was turning the camera on and off … rather than just saying I turned the camera on and here's what I caught … to me, just an opinion, it smacked of over-explanation of something that is about to happen.

Also, I do think the chair would be harder to rig with a wire because there was nothing to hide it behind – whereas a wire running from the back of the frame could have been hidden by the objects on the table.

If you use the TAPS criteria that something that might have a normal explanation can't be labled pararnormal, you'd have to say this isn't paranormal because it easily could have been a hoax … I'm not saying it was – just seems suspicious.

Side note: sure enjoying the analysis and debate this site offers as opposed to what we find on the TAPS board.

OK. Good points about the chair. It may have been more difficult to pull off than I first thought. But does this make the picture frame even more suspicious? The reports were of the chair moving, not something else.

Nice analysis from all. While we can't say definitively that Grant was pulling a hoax, his past involvement in questionable occurences leaves me inclined to NOT give him the benefit of the doubt. His overexplaining before he turned the camera on led me to believe something questionable was coming up.

As far as the EVP goes, I listened to it repeatedly and never heard yes or yeah or whatever it supposedly said. Jack the owner looked very doubtful when they played it for him during the reveal as well.

On the plus side, this episode was pretty entertaining. I found the banter between Tango and Steve pretty funny. For the first time, I got a good look at Kris in normal light (not IR) and she's better looking, and taller, than I thought. I do think she's in on the scam though. It almost seemed forced and too convenient when Jay and Grant were saying 'knowing Kris she'll definitely want to go back in' and she comes down and says exactly that.

CrowTRobot, on the one hand I agree entirely but the counter-argument is pretty simple: Maybe there's activity all around the chair and people only ever noticed/realized the chair itself. One might argue that the picture frame turned as if someone sitting in the chair wanted to look at it.

So as Ronin1220 says, this really comes down to the benefit of the doubt. I'm not inclined to give it to Grant either, but it's there to be given nonetheless.

I don't know if anyone knows this or not buy apparently Kris Williams is an actress. Go to imDb.com and type in her name. Interesting…

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1366043/

If I remember correctly, Kris was introduced by Jay as a family friend or distant relative when she first came on the show (which she may be). I'm guessing they haven't played up the actress aspect because they don't want people questioning her credibility. For the record, she does seem genuine to me, although she doesn't add a whole lot to the investigations …

In addition to all the other circumstantial evidence about the picture frame, I found the reaction to this "evidence" suspicious. If true, it's amazing evidence. But everyone was so blase about it (including the hotel owner). I've always taken this show with a grain of salt and enjoyed it purely for its entertainment value, but there is definitely something strange going on here. I never believed Grant's magic moving blanket. Now this. He comes across as a nice, trustworthy guy. But I have a feeling Grant is a fisherman.

I agree, why does all this stuff happen to only Grant.

I tried & tried but couldnt hear the EVP at all. I also noticed that the wind was blowing hard that night. They cut to the sign outside and it was swaying at a pretty good rate. I wonder if the sounds of boots was something outside the bulding…like a shutter?…also wondering why they didnt go and try to debunk the sounds. I would have trusted the picture moving evidence more if it had been in Tango's room. He seems to try and understand what is going on around him. IMO.

I agree with the poster who said they seemed blase about it all.

Although I'm struggling with losing my faith in GH, I can't ever stop watching because I'm totally addicted to the intelligent analyses and commentary on this website. And, yes, just once I wish the article would move TOWARD the camera. I heard nothing from the evp. And Tango's cred is 100% with me.

I obviously need to get my entertainment center wired up again and play these shows through my speaker system because I couldn't hear that EVP at all, if anything it sounded like a breath and a very low one at that. I assume that crew and such who occupy the room during these things do actually have to breathe, so I wasn't impressed by that. I was amazed they were all so certain about its content. Reminded me of watching GHI and there is some very low distorted gurgle on the tape after which Barry quickly pronounces "That's Russian". Oh don't even get me going on that.

I thought immediately when Steve was in there setting up it was the IR from the camera triggering the TV. Don't know how it ended up being the walkie, but kudos to Tango for actually trying out the IR theory straight away before discovering otherwise.

I am always suspicious about any Inn or anywhere thats a public attracting location. I just figure the owners/staff will try and pull something in order for some "haunted" publicity. Just like the Queen Mary with the bed spread, I thought that was an inside job – who else would it be? I just can never help feeling that way in situations like that.

I thought I actually saw something move (string?) to the right of the picture frame first showing but then the other times I saw the footage I specifically looked and didn't pick up anything. It looked questionable to me and of course right there is old suspicious Grant , just kidding. It did look funny like he stopped to stay out of the way for the next movement of the picture frame. But also could be some great evidence, however just seemed to me they would be much more excited about it then they actually were.

Anyways despite my comments on the shows, still enjoying watching. Fun to discuss, too.

OK, had a chance to review the moving frame footage and found something very interesting (thanks, DVR).
During the reveal, we get full audio and full screen of the event. There's very distinct and loud creaking, which we can easily see is the sound of Grant walking on the floor. At one point, after the frame moves a second time, the creaking is loud and Grant says 'that got me out of bed' and we can see him entering the shot. BUT, you can clearly hear the creaking, like someone shifting their weight, right before the frame moves the first time. If he was in bed when the frame first moved, who was making the floorboards creak?

Wes, I'll have to go watch again and listen for that! As GH would say "good catch" :>)

I really liked episode and I knew the comments about Grant were going to fly It would seem to me that maybe they are trying to explain and not get too excited due to all of the distrust about the show. This site alone, myself included, can pick apart the smallest detail until we are collectively on the floor in a fetal position.

The boots on the floor item was very interesting to me and the ceiling was pitched very high on the one side. I am wondering if the high part of the ceiling was the outside wall. If it was there would not be attic space above it. I liked that they heard it and then it was captured on a recorder. They said if you think about the time frame of the Civil War they would have worn boots, which is true. That is of course assuming the haunt is someone or something of that period.

That basement was awful and who didn't know that they would catch off the chart EMF readings, did you see all of those wires and gizmo's? No wonder Kris got sick, while I felt bad for her as who wants to puke on national TV, why is she on this show? Tango as well, they are two very dull people at least Brian had a personality. And with cutie pie Steve you get a good chuckle when he gets scared by spiders.

Ok now the moving picture frame. Not sure what to think about that but all the theories about how it could be a hoax are amusing. What if it wasn't a hoax? The theory is that it takes an enormous amount of energy for a spirit to manifest, communicate or whatever. If that is true why not the stop, start, jerky movement of the frame?

Just because they said the chair doesn't mean it always has to be the chair. Some people are said to draw more energy or activity to them, maybe Grant is one of those people or maybe he is a big deceiving jerk.

The reveal was good except you could see the yeah right expression on the owners face. I think he is still a fence sitter no matter what he said at the end. The EVP, I hear nothing but air and the expression on the owners face said he heard nothing either. The frame moving was the one that got him. But he was hard to read.

SO there are a lot of could be and maybe with me on this one. I'll have to wait to see it again and begin to pick at it more.