Enjoyable show.

The usual skeptical explanation for MothMan is that the witnesses were seeing barn owls, and in the darkness, without any real way to gauge size, they made the mistake of thinking it was human-sized. Doesn't account for all sightings, but matches very well with the general description.

As always, I enjoyed Chip Coffey's appearance. Chip, if you happen to stop by, I may be skeptical of your psychic powers (don't take it personally; I'm skeptical of everyone's), but you've convinced me of your on-screen presence.

It occurred to me that the igloos might make an excellent habitat for barn owls. Chip, did you see any owls there?

What was stored in the igloo? Chip seemed to disbelieve the comment that tnt was stored in the domes. The comment that his inner voice had given him about a "intellegence" is very interesting. Is the mothman an alien spirit? Is the army responsible for its death? Some times I think ryan does not ask proper questions when his best resource is available. I also think chip does not lie.

Ivor, because your comment adds to the conversation I took the time to painstakingly convert it from THE WAY YOU ORIGINALLY WROTE IT to its current format, which you can see uses primarily *lowercase* letters. Please make any future comments in this new format. Thanks!

I did a smattering of research. The area was a World War II TNT factory, and I couldn't find any reference to it being a top secret government weapons facility, as PS claimed. (Technically, it might be true– TNT can be used as a weapon, and the base may have been top secret at one point, but the statement on the show tried to make it sound a bit more ominous.)

The place is an EPA superfund site now and apparently still has some contaminated drums left. If anything else was ever stored there, a quick search doesn't show me anything, so I can't corroborate what Chip Coffey was saying. Not being psychic myself, I can't tell if Chip Coffey is lying, truthful, honestly mistaken, or some combination.

The idea that MothMan might be the spirit of an alien hadn't occurred to me. To believe such an extraordinary claim, however, I'd need some pretty extraordinary evidence. Thus far, we have eyewitness reports, frequently from eyewitnesses who were looking at something unusual in the darkness– great conditions for making errors in something's size. I have yet to see any particularly impressive photos of the MothMan, or any other evidence of its existence.

I haven't been able to find, independently, any of Ryan's pre-disaster photos from his PowerPoint presentation. Can anyone post links?

Finally, in just going for barn owls I was a bit overly narrow in my bird selection in my first post. An article over here (http://www.qsl.net/w5www/mothman.html) points out an entire aviary's worth of birds in the area at the time which could have caused the sightings: sandhill cranes, vultures, and oddly enough an Arctic snow owl.

I hereby make another prediction: if Ghost Hunters makes it to a fifth or sixth season, they'll wind up investigating a borderline cryptozoological case like this one.

One of the facts that I think was omitted from the show is the numerous UFO sightings that were also noted in the area during this event. Giant birds were also seen by witnesses. The idea of an alien spirit occurred to me from the theory that "God" made the universe therefore he made us. Ghosts are also in theory the souls of human beings. If God made aliens possibly they may have souls therefore in death possibly their souls may wander. If the army had captured an alien, stored it in the facility, and the entity had died in captivity who knows?

Here is what Loren Coleman, a cryptozoologist, had to say about Sci Fi's show, "Sci Fi Investigates", episode that investigated Mothman and Mothman itself.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/sci-fis-non-event/

Yeah, that show was Monster Quest on the History Channel. It's a good show with actual scientific study of the evidence.

I am more interested in mystery animals, aka cryptids, then I am the paranormal and ghosts.

The body cast, which isn't a full body one and is only a partial imprint, is the Skookum Cast and there are some who think it may have been made by an elk and not a Bigfoot.

Actually, Bigfoot has hair, not fur.

The blood and hair was pulled off the screw board, which was used a bear and obviously a 'squatch deterrent, placed in front of the door. The primate DNA they got from the tissue and blood off the screws is, to quote the show, "identical to human DNA except it had one nucleotide polymorphism. That nucleotide that was different is a difference that is shared with chimpanzee's."

If only it was possible to get good evidence like that for ghosts.

Correction in fifth paragraph of my previous comment: The blood and hair was pulled off the screw board, which was used as a bear…

Hi all,

I am the one that placed the post that said I hated PS and then after reading comments back to me agreed to give it another try. I watched the rerun of the Mothman show tonight and the Shape Shifter show.

Both of these brought in Chip Coffey and I have to admit I liked him. He seemed reasonable to me. It is odd that both times he felt something Native American was happening. But that could just be a coincidence.

The Mothman show was interesting as I do think it is very possible for things to be living in our woods that we don't know about. Have you ever seen a condor they are HUGE! I appreciated the fact that when they asked Chip if the Mothman had anything to do with the bridge collapse he said no.

I think in both of these shows there was trauma taking place. One is the entire town seems to be dying out and then that horrible accident. The second was the unspoken thing happening with Mom and Daughter. Did you notice that in the 'reveal' the daughter would look at her mother, wait for her to begin to answer, and then she would speak?

I guess I did appreciate the very non-judgemental way Ryan treated the folks involved in both cases. He was not brash or harsh like they can be on GH.

Still not sure what to think about the investigators here I'll need to watch more.

Hell yeah, Native American! this whole country was pretty much Indians .their beliefs in the supernatural spirit world,has always been stronger than ours! You disturb their grave sites and look out!Anyway thats what I believe….

please put info on mothman for project of enigma.We would really appreiciate it! We are so interested in Mothman. Thank you!!