all is can say about this episode is - boooorriinng! it's bad enough watching them go about the investigation under normal circumstances, but for two hours of unedited roaming around? yawn!

and what's with the ECW personalities lately? is there a big market for this that i am unaware of?

anyway, i'm also waiting until next week to see the final final on this one.

i also wanted to say that i really love this site and look forward to the reviews. i'm such a dork!

Nice site. I watched the entire thing and it was nothing too special. One of the things I didn't like was how they kept playing the music during the investigation, which made it hard to listen for the bangs they said they heard.
Steve's "encounter" is definatly questionable, so is that ecw guys freak out near the end.
It was good to see that the investigation really was live, and pulled off quite well for the size of the building.

Oh GOD yeah… those "stingers" are annoying enough during the regular program, but when they play them during the Live event it's like, "Oh wait! That sound means something important is about to happen! Oh wait, no it doesn't… this is live and they have no idea what's going to happen next. Oh there it is again! That means… oh F*#%"

I taped the last four hours of this show and let me tell you i have watched it 2 times through slowing things down and pausing and really saw nothing substantial(some matrixing only but we cant help that). On Logisti's comments i agree, what the heck was Steve and Tango doing ignoring this light coming at them if it was not something possibly paranormal (which appeared to be someone with a flashlight) there reaction or lack there of was kind of strange or they knew what it was. I think this was a filler thing i dont know. On Steve's incident in the room with the small plant, it appear's he never touched it but i am going to chedck this again on the slow motion. Towards the end was the best when Grant and Jason where tracking something. I do not think some of them really understand what they are dealing with especialy Dave, i know i sure the hell dont, this is my first post here. We will see wednesday what happens should be fun hopefully.

I need to make a slight correction to my last post: What i meant to say was why would Steve and Tango ignore the shadow figure or what ever it was with the flashlight if they honestly to be paranormal. Looked at the footage again around Steve's experience with the tripping or what ever the heck happened right after the figure with the flashlight thing, he did not touch that small plant growing out of the wall. Sometimes i noticed, they say things that are pure jibberish and they do not make any sense. I look forward to any comments any might have in this. I do not want to disrespect the show or any member of Taps but i have to call it as i see it oer hear it.

I apologize for the poor punctuation, currently sick with cold and earache.

No worries, Mark — and as for disrespecting the show, occasionally I get the feeling the show is disrespecting *us*, which is mainly why I put this site together. Keep calling 'em like you see 'em and feel better.

yeah! it was really bugging me too when steve and tango completely ignored the dark figure with the what looks like a flashlight whats up with that!

I could not keep my eyes open after the first half hour. I guess they did the best they could and I would rather them be true then to try and spice it up for entertainment purposes. Yeah, what's up with the wrestling dude?

nov.6.2007@5.00pm
so i was like watching your show and all of a sudden
boom i thought why i am i watching this when baywatch is on
see ya.

Maybe what they should do instead of having a wrestler or some other random dude as a guest, they should invite a fan or a skeptic to experience the whole thing! But maybe the truth would come out that some things are faked… not that I think they are or anything. You guys make valid arguments. I just want to believe it's not a scam - mainly because I'm a fan, and I've invested money in the DVDs and books… hehe.

I only watched very little of the live show. Between the boring host and the ECW wrestler I was bored about an hour into the show. I can’t understand why they needed a “special guest” and a host. If they just went in as they normally do and did their thing it would have made for a much better show. And please stop with the background music!

Correct me if I'm wrong…
I watched only an hour or so (before falling asleep…literally) of the live show on Halloween night, but during that time I watched as Grand and Jason (with guest person) were upstairs with the ball. They planted it and left, returned and stated it moved 16 feet. So they marked it, put a camera directly on it again and left…came back and it was twitching here and there.

Did they not set up a camera at the end of the hallways? I seem to remember they did. And yet tonight during the 'reveal', the only footage shown was two clips of the ball sitting still quivering. The camera at the end of the hall should have caught that ball moving the 16 feet. Why wasn't it shown? or even mentioned? (when I believe it WAS mentioned when they first planted the ball - as in: the cameras will get this).

I just want say this site is at least balanced. I have been to other sites and they are just downright rude. Also, I enjoy the show for its ENTERTAINMENT. It si the "only" reality show that worth watching. If you want to see a show that is not worth the video tape watch travel channels "Most Haunted" it is a joke. I have watched it just to make fun of it. Please as someone stated please take it with a "grain of salt" Thank you for allowing me to post.

Cristy is right on the ball, no video rolling the 16 feet, total wash, throw it out dont even mention it. There was crew members running around as we already mentioned. This is so dilluted now and on top of it they were taliking to "Timmy" the supposed child shadow who was caught on the ir last time they were there. This was embarassing if you ask me!

They should have had camera's all over that hall if they honestly thought "Timmy" was going to roll that ball 16 feet or any distance, come on! I watched some things on u-tube last night at paranormal news that make this stuff look like "childs play" sorry i could not help that.

Take care all….

I think in a way, it was a good thing that the live investigation was boring. 80% of ghost hunting is boring. Things don't always happen on cue. From an enterntainment prospective it sucks.

Just watched the rebroadcast of Waverly on Turkey Day: pretty pathetic, actually. The one thing that remains very intriguing is the object they caught on the thermal. To the untrained eye (mine), it looks like a person with no pants on running past them. Either way, it was pretty amazing footage. However:

1. We see Grant do his hallway measurement. However we never see Grant through Jay's thermal camera. Let's see the comparison!

2. They didn't seem keen to chase that thing down the hall or follow it in any way. That sure looked to me like an actual physical object–go freakin' find it!

Along these lines, how do we know this is a secure shoot? That place is huge, and there is graffiti and debris everywhere–couldn't regular people be hiding out in the place, and therefore get "caught" making noise or sneaking around? Lovers in a tryst? Homeless people? Druggies or gang members? Bored teens? It seems to me there are all sorts of ways that people can experience "paranormal" activity that is probably just other folks moving around.

Finally, yeah: I HATE the way this show (and all the others like it) have some music crescendos right over the top of other noise. Let's hear the noise FIRST, then if we MUST have music, do it after.

I haven't seen the original Waverly episode in a while but I seem to remember that they *did* actually show Grant through the thermal. He stood at the point where the object crossed the hall and it was clear whatever the thermal recorded was much, much shorter than Grant.

I also find that particular footage to be some of the most intriguing because the heat signature, assuming the comparison shot of Grant was accurately done, seemed to be toddler sized. Too big to be a cat or a racoon, but too small to be someone playing a trick. A stray dog would be the only obvious explanation that could fit the size criteria, but that thermal hit didn't look anything like a dog.

Obviously the door is still wide open for some "natural" (as opposed to supernatural) explanation, but I haven't yet seen anything good in that regard.

Would it be possible to cover half of someone's body with a sheet and fool the thermal camera, and us? This is highly speculative on my part, but if the sheet, or maybe something thicker like a towel, somehow blocked the thermal cams reading of the upper body and made it appear colder than the legs of a person — thus making just the legs register as hot — that could account for the Waverly thermal of the "toddler" and possibly the Lisheen Ruins thermal footage also.

Like I said, this is highly speculative on my part because I don't know how half a covered body would look on thermal. Too bad we don't have a thermal camera to experiment with.

Mythbusters tried something similar. Tori attempted to fool an alarm device designed to detect anyone entering a room by their body temperature — like in Sneakers. His pre-tests were done with a thermal camera. He tried a bunch of things and nothing he "wore" worked, not even neoprene or a giant chicken suit. It all heated up too quickly once it was on his body.

Carrying a sheet of treated glass in front of him worked great though. Only problem applying that method to the FLIR footage from Waverly is that would not only block out any background details (in favor of a solid, flat surface) but it would block them out with an extremely obvious and regular shape (most likely rectangular).

I believe we can clearly see down the hallway in the footage and since the object moves and crosses two doorframes it would be even easier for our brains to detect inconsistencies like that. There was some talk about the top half being "transparent" — Jay & Grant seem to think a lot of things on the thermal are transparent — but while I don't see what they're talking about, it does seem to me whatever it is cannot be taller than waist-height on a 6' (1.8 meter) tall individual.

Just rewatched that little segment of "Haunted Sanitorium" on YouTube. My guess is that it's a bat or owl casting a thermal reflection behind it.

My reasoning is that there seem to be two shapes moving roughly in sync, it moves quickly, and on the slo-mo segment you can see some pulsing that looks like wings.

J&G claims that they investigated for any signs of animals, but I seem to recall that most of the windows are broken there. An animal could easily get in and out without J&G spotting it.

I'm not too familiar with FLIR images of birds or bats, so I'll admit this is just a guess.

Rewatched more of the original Waverly segment, and I'm more confident in my hypothesis that the "toddler ghost" was either a bird or a bat. Again, my original idea was based on the fact that you can see the blobs that make up the "toddler" pulse, as though they're flapping wings.

First, we know that there were bats in the building at one point. The Louisville Ghost Hunters investigated Waverly and "disturbed a huge colony of bats". (http://www.louisvilleghs.com/LGHS_MASTER/SUB/Investigations/Waverly/)

Also, remember that two of the investigators found the dead bird the following day. The bird might be another suspect for our ghost. GH may have caught its final flight on tape!

In the end, though, I'm thinking that the toddler-as-bat hypothesis is pretty strong. It looks like a bat, moves like a bat (or two), and we know that there are bats in the vicinity.

I'm thinking that GH should sell the FLIR on ebay and spend the money on additional video cameras…

That's interesting, if it's flying then it needn't be touching the floor which means it could be slightly smaller, still it would have to be pretty big, like the size of a seagull. It would also have to be flying awfully close to the ground but still, even though it's not a total lock for me that's still the best explanation I've seen.

Stephen, can you give the link for this particular evidence on YouTube? i searched and got a gazillion hits and i'm too lazy to go through them all.

Here's the relevant segment:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4GhvXu3jHs4

Wish they'd turn off that blasted target on the FLIR.

thanks, Stephen. this refreshed my memory and i now remember this from the time i first viewed it. now, i can see a sort of clear portion that looks to me like the top half of an adult's body. it doesn't look like a bird to me. and i did view it over and over the first time i saw it too and i swear i see a top portion and it looks adult sized to me.

can you see it? or anyone else?

That's what I thought it was when I saw it on TV too tracy, a person. That's why I asked about a sheet/towel throwing off the FLIR's reading.

I think that the top part is a thermal reflection cast by the bat flying below. It's cooler than the lower blob (the one I think is the bat), and for once I agree with J&G– it looks transparent! That would make sense for a reflection or shadow– or maybe air turbulence caused by something flying.

Trouble is, once you (or I) see something, it's hard to un-see it. In the end, it's a couple of moving blobs. To me it looks like flapping blobs. To you it might look like walking blobs. Still, I think I'll refer to "Timmy" from now on as "Bat Boy".

jason,
most ghost hunters always try to prove that there iz ghosts,
but i love t.a.p.s because u try to disprove paranormal things.i am a big fan of ur show and i do think steve iz pretty cute,i loved the turkey day marathon.u guys are the best….with out ur show there would not be able to even look at the tv screen!!!

*autumn

is there any other explanation for evp's?

*Jennifer

oops. sorry, i just watched this with the sound on and J&G do talk about the transparent top part. i had the sound down when i watched it earlier. i'm still not seein' a bat in this. but, i don't know how it could be a person with the top portion of the body transparent like that if Mythbusters couldn't replicate it. hmmmm…..interesting! maybe you're right, Stephen and it is a bat.

i haven't yet watched the turkey day marathon. anything good on this one?

Tracy– fair enough. I certainly can't prove that it IS a bat.

Autumn/Jennifer– welcome to the site! Unfortunately, this site isn't connected with TAPS, so I'm afraid Jason probably won't get your message. As for EVPs– people disagree about them. I don't think they prove anything because it's very, very easy to mistake an ordinary background sound for a strange voice. I talk about it, way too long, over here: http://www.skepticalviewer.com/2007/11/08/harrington-home-ma/#comment-125

hey i love yalls show

do you have to have a collage to become a ghost hunter

"Jay & Grant seem to think a lot of things on the thermal are transparent"
Yep. The problem is that a thermal camera does not pick up things that are not solid. So unless "Timmy" can make himself solid, he's not going to show up on thermal. It's a person but I don't know who it is. The only bat I've seen is the one that flies from one side of the hallway to the other side.

Yes, MaryW, after I had a look at the DVD version of the episode I moved away from the Bat Boy hypothesis. You can hear Logisti and I discuss it on Skeptical Viewer podcast episode 3:

http://www.skepticalviewer.com/2008/03/15/sv-podcast-003-the-return-of-taps/