August 16, 2007
GH: "Toys of Terror" Thermal
Thermal Footage from the Attic in "Toys of Terror"
This is a discussion on thermal footage Brian and Mike D. capture in an attic in the 3rd season episode "Toys of Terror". In this footage a football sized heat signature shows up, apparently hovering above the missing seat on the broken chair before vanishing extraordinarily fast.

The thermal signature in question appears at timestamp 3:46:48 on the FLIR footage, all of which appears to be completely legitimate. The thermal hit remains constant until timestamp 3:47:20
The temperature of the bulk of the object was roughly a constant 64 degrees which puts it about 9 degrees above the temperature in the surrounding area. Not that impressive sounding, but it stands out like a sore thumb. At the end of the relevant section of FLIR video we see the thermal signature steady, exactly as we saw it before, then it gets really thin and disappears completely.
So basically this area the size of a football held a steady 9 degrees warmer than the rest of the objects in the room and doesn't change temperature for 32 seconds. Then suddenly it either vanishes or loses 9 degrees in 1 second. Clearly it couldn't have LOST the heat that quickly* so the explanation *must* be something else, although it definitely doesn't have to be attributed to the paranormal.
Less impressive is the objects "sudden" appearance. During the aired FLIR footage we see that this "hot spot" suddenly appears out of nowhere, however this clearly seems to be a focus issue. The FLIR was out of focus and when it came back into focus the object "appears". It is possible this was to deliberately mislead the audience (in fact, I'm sure someone will suggest it), but it's also possible it was *not* deliberate, so let's keep the conclusions to a minimum and the speculation to a maximum.
OF NOTE: There actually *IS* one interesting post-production FLIR anomaly here: The "before" footage they show is actually from "after" the anomaly disappears. The footage isn't doctored, but they are definitely implying it is "before" footage when it is not. One could argue they didn't have "before" footage and an editorial decision was made. It is certainly more innocuous than the other FLIR fiasco, but I felt it was worth mentioning nonetheless.
* There are several reasons we know we did not witness an object which changed temperature. First, we know the surrounding objects didn't show any temperature change the entire time. This is important because for an object to lose heat that fast, the heat would have to go somewhere and we don't see anything else rise in temperature as the heat signature disappears.
Also, we know the object didn't lose even 2 degrees during the 32 seconds between when we first see it and when it disappears. For it to lose 9 degrees in the following 1 second would mean there must have been a massive cold source introduced into the environment, like someone tossed in a big chunk of dry ice. This would have been 10 times more obvious on the FLIR than the mysterious object.
The most reasonable explanation would be a reflection, however a couple of things suggest a reflection is highly unlikely. Firstly, Brian and Mike Dion both assert there was no reflective surface, for what that's worth — but if you don't want to rely on their testimony, luckily you don't have to.
During the investigation we get to see the chair close-up, albeit from a bad angle, and although it does appear to have a piece of wood going across the back, that is not likely to be heat-reflective and it's too narrow (top-to-bottom) to match up with what we see in the FLIR footage anyway.
And there's more: during the part where they original catch the footage (starting around 5:05) we see footage of Mike standing over Brian, alternately looking at the FLIR screen and shining his flashlight towards the chair to see if he can make out anything. We even see this camera shot at the moment when the object disappears ("it's gone, it's gone!") and neither one of them, nor even the cameraman seem to have moved an inch, much less enough to make their reflection vanish.
All-in-all, an interesting video that does not appear to have an obvious explanation to debunk it.
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Comments on GH: "Toys of Terror" Thermal »
Kim @ 2:48 pm
This is not related to this particular episode, but I noticed a strange thing in an episode once where Jay and Grant are in uniform installing a dish washer at "someone's" house, and Jay is talking about how the man didn't know what he was doing installing the washer, so they ended up doing it. They were installing this dish washer in Jay's house! It occurred to me that some things looked very familar so after viewing some episodes that were actually taped in Jay's house, I compared the two episodes and it was his couch and his lamp in the living room, the same three pictures on the wall over the staircase that went down to the front door, the same kitchen right down to the wooden key holder beside the refrigerator. I wrote to TAPS asking them why they were acting like this was someone else's house and I never got an answer back from them. I just found that interesting.
Stephen @ 11:06 am
Good catch, Kim!
The intro footage (the guys on a job, a client walking into TAPS headquarters) makes it harder for me to trust the shows. They're obviously staged, since Jay and Grant don't have the camera crews following them around 24/7 in case they get a phone call (I hope!). It's all amusing and harmless, but if I'm trying to evaluate the show as a documentary and not as a drama, part of my brain starts saying, "Hey, they staged this whole scene here. What's to keep them from doing some little bit of staging during the investigation to make the whole thing more exciting?"
Salem @ 3:54 pm
I never liked the parts where a client walks into TAPS to request help. It is so cheesy! I don’t mind seeing them do a job but when Donna calls with a case, obviously the camera crew is not there to capture this. It really is not necessary. Just have a scene where Jay and Grant talk about the case with the rest of the team. That should be sufficient enough.
tourmaline @ 4:38 am
I agree, I dislike the staged aspects of the show immensely. They just seem so forced and unnecessary. I don't understand why Syfy doesn't just provide a genuine documentary format without large crews on the investigations and staged sequences. I think they are out of sync with what a large contingent of people really want, which is facts and unbiased data on a paranormal investigation, not docu-drama.
HollyDolly @ 7:51 am
Well, now you have me curious.I think I have a copy of Toys of Terror, and will have to watch it again, because right now, I don't remember this at all.
Yes,you and I would like "Just the Facts Mam",but they aren't interested apparently in what we think. They seem to be interested in appealing to the crowd who are into reality shows, monster truck rallies and wrestling. Some how the people who like these things, have after viewing a few commercials for the program,have decided to watch the show.
I think that's why they keep showing them doing the plumbing thing.To show that demographic that Jason and Grant are just like them,blue collar workers, not fancy smancy professors or rich folk who would spit on them, despite the fact the rich folk came from the same origin.That maybe part of the reason they had several times,professional wrestlers on their live Halloween shows.Whether that was a decision that was made by SyFy or Pilgrim, I don't know. Maybe Jason and Grant know a few of these guys, and it was their idea to add the wrestlers.Because they are appealing to the reality crowd, that too maybe part of the docu-drama deal.It maybe an attempt to show viewers that like any family ,they also have confliks.
Nosfer @ 3:41 pm
"I think they are out of sync with what a large contingent of people really want, which is facts and unbiased data on a paranormal investigation, not docu-drama."
I think the bulk of people just want to be entertained. If it was really going negative, I'd think it would affect viewership, and there would be a format change. Look at all the reality shows out there, there ain't much in the way of an iota of thought that is necessary to watch any of them. A sad commentary on the times, but a true one
"…everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses" –Juvenal